Darren Till vs. Luke Rockhold & Nathaniel Bustamante vs. Tony Ferguson - Round by Round.

Exactly the point being made. Darren till and these influencers etc are on something. Their then fighting old fighters who either aren,t on anything at that point or if they are its a game of diminishing returns. Peds will benefit a 30 year old more than a 40 year old.

Just funny that the two that had any kind of success that you cited both we,re done for peds.

Same with guys like connor benn. Another guy with limited experience at boxing who was able to bridge the gap. Experience and know how in a boxing ring counts for a lot. Peds are allowing these guys to bridge that gap imo.

 

spoken like every single noob in sports fandom history

 

And now address the other part of my post.

Not everyone is on PED´s.

 

lol...

not everyone, but the vast majority of professional top level athletes are, especially those that have already been outed as dopers. Good grief...

 

In Browne and Whytes case its also because the skill level at HW is relatively low. I think a fair few guys from MMA and kickboxing could come in and do alright at HW, and vice versa boxers to those sports. Honestly with the state of HW MMA these days you could probably make someone like AJ into a top 10 level UFC HW with a year or two of dedicated training at a good gym.

 

Anyone in the top 20 would be in the 1% club of their profession and certainly needs to be considered as making it and a success.

 

Not convinced tbh. Looking at guys like darren till. He left school at something like 14 to concentrate on mma. It took him years and years of dedication at the sport and pretty sure he still fell short at the top level.

I think the skill level looks low at heavyweight boxing is because their fighting other skilled fighters at the top level mostly. Stick them in with low skilled fighters....they dont look quite so bad then.

Whyte got success because he was young enough when he crossed over and he took peds. Browne had some kind of success because he took peds. He still ended up getting splattered by dave allen. A guy who hardly trained and was all over the place mentally at the time. He did have a lot of experience in a boxing gym tho.

Two different disciplines. Fitness and athletism will help a crossover. But their small parts of the equation in the grand scheme of things. They still crossover as novices to the new discipline.

 

Did I say otherwise? I merely made an argument against Till being on PED´s, based on what I have observed. I have actually paid close attention to his career since he entered the UFC, and I would be genuinely shocked if he is on PED´s, given his performances over the years.
There has been a clear, evident decline in his athletic capabilities, and in his aesthetic physical condition.

If he is on PED´s, its something to help him with basic recovery. Its most certainly not something that makes him into a freak athlete or even close to it.

 

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Darren Till would be a good opponent for Jake Paul

 

Rockhold hits the deck like a ***** damm...

 

He fell short because he was one dimensional mainly. Tbf though he made his way to a title shot and was in the top 10 for a while so he still did pretty well.

But its still a lower overall level of skill and athleticism compared to other weight classes typically. Hence why most of the guys that could cross over both ways are at HW. Raw physical attributes and being an above average athlete will take you much further there, and there are way more fat sloppy brawlers to feed on.

I dont think PEDs are the ONLY reason for their success, because again, practically everyone else is taking them too. Browne had decent power, and Whyte, as much as I take the **** out of him, can box a little bit, and they were both competing in a shitty division.

 

Just caught the highlights, I think Salt Papi should have been given an opportunity to continue and Rockhold should have been stopped in round 1. He was clearly done from the first knockdown and on wobbly legs. I'm guessing the refs give more grace to the fighters and protect the influencers

Still a lot of the ref work looked poor and the fights looked kind of shitty

 

This is true, I read something somewhere once (think it might have been on the internet) that Brits just don't cheat. Of course Whyte and C.Benn got popped, but they were brought up elsewhere and so perhaps missed the playground lessons on fair-play