Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Joseph Dennis Parker Lupesoliai

I agree 100% and thats why i said usyk beats both by "DO" or duckout . Of course he would just face and beat parker when he could perform this . The result against parker in an open bout is way less clear most here believe .

But look , we have here fans who cheer their hero athough he avoids the division as clear as never seen before so not sure if its the right place to discuss .

I must say i really like usyk for his achievements in CW and his extraordinary skills but imho he is now really messing it up

 

It comes down to Kabayel really only having two decent wins at heavyweight with Chisora and Zhang. He's good, but needs to do a little more imo.

Parker has fought Wilder, Zhang, Bakole and now looks ready to take on Wardley where nobody else is. He's also the WBO mandatory.

 

Needs to do a little more to pass parker you mean? Well you count wilder and bakole but don't mention sanchez and makhmudov?

Granted sanchez seemed injured and makhmudov is beatable but let's be honest, wilder loses against makhmudov now, I am 90% sure of that. And while I rate bakole way higher than sanchez, he was payed loads of money to come over on 24h notice and jetlagged and lost to a shot that parker never intended to land that way.

So I don't think that makes for better wins than Kabayel's.

Wardley might tip it in parker's favor, but honestly I can't see wardley beat either Parker or Kabayel. I actually find it really gutsy that he even tries.

 

For me its an interesting fight and a honorable move by both athletes .

I can imagine there will be a good undercard for this fight

May the best man win

 

Nothing Mahkmudov has done has suggested he would beat Wilder tbh. And yes, Sanchez was injured so I don't rate that win as high as opposed to when he was fully fit.

It's worth noting both Wilder and Zhang were top 5 when Parker beat them as the wide underdog. Bakole, while short notice, was the boogeyman of the division. He also tried to fight Dubios who ducked.

Wardley (and I don't rate him highly) is widely regarded as being one of the best up and comers too. This run is far better than Kabayel who doesn't appear to have secured a fight yet. Parker is fighting everyone and anyone willing to step to the plate and should be next for a title.

 

That's a valid view and if parker gets the shot it is definitely deserved. i'm just arguing that kabayel deserves it equally.

If odds were 50-50 you would rather bet on wilder now than on makhmudov? I don't see gunshy wilder taking out makhmudov and what else does he have? I would assume a makhmudov ko if he doesn't totally gas himself out somehow. I would switch it and say 'nothing wilder has done in the last two years suggests that he beats makhmudov'

The way I see it, I can not see kabayel lose against any of parkers recent opponents. I would expect him to ko wilder and 24h notice jetlagged bakole and 10 months younger zhang and for that matter also wardley. I did not see parker ko zhang and expect parker to beat sanchez and makhmudov, too, obviously.

Dubois ducking Parker was an absolute shame because it would have been a damn interesting fight and it was an insult and injustice that he got the shot before parker then. But that somehow put the narrative in peoples heads that since parker has been left out this way, he is now the clearly most deserving. What if it had been kabayel ducked by dubois?

Well either kabayel or parker next against usyk is fine by me, I'm just not sold on them being far apart in how much they deserve the shot at usyk.

Anyway, bargaining power seems to be crap for both of them, you need to be english right now to put bums in seats, apparently.

 

If you look at both fighters recent fights in context - without revisionism - Parker is more deserving by a yardstick.

Wilder - no one wanted to fight him at the time, was coming off the back of a highlight reel KO, was seen as a legitimate contender and was an overwhelming favorite in that fight which was a tune up for him to face AJ.

Zhang - most avoided fighter in the rankings, overwhelming favorite in that fight, seen as a legit contender and coming off a highlight reel KO and x2 demolitions of Joyce

Bakole - obviously a big caveat in this fight but he was widely regarded as the bogeyman of the division, and a late replacement for the champion Dubois. Parker took the risk as well.

With hindsight its easy to say Wilder was shot, Zhang was gassed and Bakole had come straight off the couch. But that discredits the actual narrative of those fights as well as Parkers performances.

Kabayel has decent wins but his most legitimate win outside of Makh (whose best win was over a 43 yo Takam) and an injured Sanchez (best win is Ajagba) is Zhang (who Kabayel beat more convincingly than Parker but that is not the sole yardstick to go by). He has been quiet since then. I am interested to see when and who his next opponent will be.

 

$$$ explains his fight decisions. Simple as that. If Turki wants to pay him $100mil to fight Fury again because reasons, that’s what Usyk is going to do.

 

Well wilder was overrated in that match as much as canelo was against bivol. I was really surprised to hear that wilder was supposed to be favorite.

But if you go by risk and use odds to determine those - go look up how much of an underdog kabayel was. And how high makhmudovs reputation was before the fight against kabayel. There is a lot of exactly the revisionism you mention going on there, too ;-)

 

Parker and kabayel , both world title defences , are the highest pay fights currently available for usyk so it cannot be money when he avoids both .

 

Obviously I might have a little personal bias towards kabayel but sometimes that makes you see the biases of the mainstream opinion 'parker deserves it far and above the most. I like it when finally people from somewhere other than ee/gb/us and non english natives challenge for the titles.

Parker was really unlucky with the way dubois was handled etc but people complaining about that forget that he got lots of great matchups made and indeed lost a few here and there. He got his chances. So not all bad luck here.

I just doubt that zhang, bakole and for that matter kabayel just didn't want the challenge. It's their livelihood and their promoters have to take substantial risks by putting on relevant fights. I assume that was what ruined hrgovic to some extent, too.

The demand is simply not as high and the opponents want to be payed and when you look at where the bigger names from the dominant countries/promoters stand in the rankings without doing accordingly much to deserve it (itauma as much as I like him is the most recent example that was discussed around here) you see that it is not only about willingness and skill but also about bargaining power.

So maybe they just sat around and didn't want to Fight. But to me it sounds way likelier that after chisora, people weren't exactly keen on fighting this unknown banana skin from wherever.

I'm just pretty sure that kabayel would have mastered parker's opponents as well as he did while I don't see parker demolishing zhang and makhmudov the way kabayel did it. And i see kabayel not getting quite as marketable an opposition as parker got.

 

the highest money fight for Usyk is the fight that Turki most wants to see. simple as that.

 

Turki is a businessman but also an entertainer , i like him . Turki organizes what fans want to see but it seems he is done with usyk and his excuses .

why should he promote lets say usyk vs kabayel ( the entire world wants to see this ) when he knows usyk will avoid in any case ?

When usyk would agree to kabayel i guarantee you this fight makes the main event in riyadh with a great undercard and record purse . And turki wants to see it .

 

where do you see Turki calling for Usyk-Kabayel? If I were Turki, I'd be shouting that all over twitter endlessly.

 

Turki wants to present himself as the boxing king and that everything he calls for happens .

When he knows that usyk will not face kabayel under any circumstances he does not call for something what will never happen . Similar with parker . Better to say " i,m not interested" than to call for it and show the world it stalled.