Can we please stop with this "Fury ducked Wlad" narrative? (Prepare for an essay).

Yeah, but the point is, neither AJ, nor Klitschko activated it. Klitschko activated the rematch clause against Fury, therefore Fury ducked him by not fighting him.

 

My bad I misread that part. I agree tho.

 

Yeah he ducked Wlad
Also ducked AJ
Ducked Price
Ducked Povetkin eliminator
Ducked Pulev eliminator
Ducked Joyce for Chisora trilogy
Tried to duck Wilder rematch, they had to take him to arbitration
Beat Wlad on Peds

The Wlad rematch was at peril backstage, just imagine, Fury was already aware he was caught and his career might be over. He just went bonkers.

All this mental health disorder problem feels like cover up for this whole situation and drug addiction.

 

Also ducked Whyte in 2019 inexplicably. WBC said they wanted them to fight for the mandatory position to Wilders WBC title and Whyte was willing to take the fight. Fury insisted that he'd only fight him for the WBC diamond belt but when the WBC said they'd consider putting the title on the line Fury suddenly changed his mind, calling Whyte a bum. Instead he'd go on to fight the then complete unknown with 0 notable victories, Otto Wallin lol. I truly don't understand Fury's decision making.

 

To be fair, he beat Hammer on PEDs, not Wlad. He pissed clean for the Klitschko fight.

 

Actually, he went on to fight Tom Schwarz, so even worse, lol. It was also the time he ducked AJ for the April 2019 fight, cause he didn't want 60/40 split in AJ's favor.

 

End of the day, it doesn't really matter why he didn't go through with the rematch - benefit of the doubt as to why or not, he didn't provide the proof that it wasn't a fluke, and that's what matters... Especially with how keen Wlad was on the rematch (like Fury was after losing to Usyk - guys who think they could win will always chase it).

Or put another way... Give Fury the benefit of the doubt if you like, but you should give Wlad the benefit of the doubt that he'd have won the rematch, too.

 

Lets not forget that Fury wouldn't even fight Glass Jawed David Price

 

His resume sucks relative to the ass sucking he received. Do you realize that some of his fans were saying he is not only the greatest heavyweight ever but the best ever period. Now, go and look at his resume and ask if he is anywhere near ATG status at HW let alone the best ever. Then look at Ali, Robinson, Duran, Leonard, Arguello, Armstrong, Louis, Lewis etc. The man is nowhere near top 50 ever.

Some people like to use H2H gauge ATG status, and I agree to a certain extent that Fury, when on his game, is a rough night for any man in the history of the sport, but as I mentioned before, I don't use hypothetical match ups to determine ATG status. It isn't fair to the men that actually did the work in the ring and took years doing year of hard work and dedication doing it.

 

There are all kinds of ways to duck a challenge. Inside and outside the ring. All depends on your level of delusion or creative reasoning. Fact is, fury avoided any danger he was allowed to avoid. Always took the easiest route available. Which speaks to his mentality when assessing him as a “champion “.

 

prime wilder and chisora sucked. wilder also ducked every challenge he could. chisora accepted them, he just lost them all.

 

I suppose it comes down to two things.

1. Do you think Fury was legitimately mentally ill?
2. Do you view mental illness as a legitimate ailment?

If you are answered "yes" to both of those things then you will think that Fury didn't duck Vlad, that instead he was too unwell to fight him, same as if a fighter had an illness or injury.

If you answered "no" to either one, then you will think that Fury ducked because either he was lying about his mental health or you think that mental health doesn't count as a legit illness/health condition.

 

I don't really care what the Fury zealots think, or how good his resumé is relative to their opinions of him. I think getting worked up over these most extreme perspectives is the road to madness. I was just addressing the idea that 'he's ducked prime live bodies'.

I agree that H2H and ATG are two separate things, to a point. I'd rank Fury much higher H2H among all-time heavyweights (maybe a top 10), while I rank him maybe just above Bowe in the ATG rankings (honestly, haven't thought about where that is fully - top 30?). And of course the ATG rankings matter more.

 

People still question whether Fury has bipolar disorder, it's ridiculous really. You can see it on him very early all the way back to 2011, not getting the fights he wants and "retiring" then Haye ducking in 2012 really put him low would have been a big comeout fight and won the british fanbase. Managed to pull himself together, Cunningham fight in 2013, no corner team almost went tits up ground out a win. Almost didn't get a proper fight in 2014, uncle died Ustinov fight messed timings up then Chisora saved the day with the rematch end of year which is why Fury has a lot of love for Dereck and why a 3rd fight happened, Chisora always told Fury he owed him for that rematch. Then 2015 probably his most depressed if you look at a lot of his camp interviews he sounded suicidal, beat Wlad a massive high, Wlad gave him no props, they tried to cheat him and nobody seemed to give a damn. Top of the mountain and all he got was grief and then UKAD coming after him after he rolled his ankle having to cancel the Wlad rematch.

I can only imagine bieng gifted as Fury then not bieng able to get the fights he needs, never got the sparring he ever needed for his entire career up till 2018. Young kid making grown men quit. Wlad refused to spar him. People rip his McDermott fights but they were his acid tests, He was effectivly 4 at best 6 round fighter without a power punch and fought on empty with nothing but guts and heart to edge decisions and within 4 years had make massive leaps in his technical and physical ability.