Fighters who didn't become world champ but have beaten former/future world champs

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  1. scribbs

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    Fought Gavilan for Welterweight Championship on July 7th 1952

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  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He even fought Kid Gavilan on that date too. Lol!
     
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    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here are a couple of more:

    Billy Petrolle - beat Jimmy McLarnin, Tony Canzoneri, Jack 'Kid' Berg, Bat Battalino and Sammy Fuller.

    Aurel Toma - beat Benny Lynch, Young Perez, Emile 'Spider' Pladner, Valentin Angelmann, Joey Archibald and Jackie Callura

    Kenny Lane - beat Ralph Dupas, Carlos Ortiz, Virgil Akins, Carlos Hernandez and also drew with Hernandez and Curtis Cokes
     
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    :godsdrink0nw: My bad, I meant Gavilan. Was looking at a list of Champions and his name must have stuck in my head. Corrected on the post. Good thread this but it's a lot harder to come up with fighters who have defeated a number of Champs but not fought for a Title or Championship
     
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    Sorry not meaning to be pedantic just that the OP states a fighter who never challenged for a Title or Championship of the World

    Petrolle fought Canzoneri for the Lightweight Championship

    Lane fought for both Light and Junior Welterweight titles

    Never heard of Toma, a rabbit hole to go down, Thanks :treadmill:
     
  7. GlaukosTheHammer

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    Panama Joe Gans

    It was a thread in this style that had me post a couple sources of Greb drawing the colorline on him. Plenty of folks under the delusion Greb never drew the colorline so there's that hurdle first. Then there's plenty of folks who just look at Joe's record and assume it's legit, for some reason.

    There are more layers to the story. Greb and Gans have shared the ring a few times, just not as pros for a pro fight. In Jack Dempsey's training camps, I can't remember the exact or I'd tell you now but if you need help finding it I'll pull some sources and find the story for you, anyway, Gans and Greb were Dempsey sparring partners. Both of which were used for the same purpose, they alternated so Jack always had a fresh smaller faster guy to sparr. It was reported that when Greb sparred Gans, Panama frustrated him until he quit.

    I know ... super salacious, mostly because we're talking about Greb tbf.

    I would ask you set aside the instinctual "buts" for a moment and ponder on the man who made Harry think. Even if all of it is exaggerated or whatever reasoning you have to continue to believe Harry didn't draw the colorline or didn't have a rival he avoided at all, still it's an honor to be the only name one can mention Greb might maybe have feared that was his size and all.

    By all accounts Gans was fantastic. I'm sure plenty of schmucks could have gotten it.
     
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  8. Macedoine62

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    Artur "Flash" Johnson if he beat Pichit Sitbangprachan he will probably win against the others mandatory for the IBF Belt in Flyweight at this time such as : Francisco Tejedor, Jose Luis Zepeda.
    He was far more skilled than these two boxers.


    Napapol Kiatisakchokchai in fact many Thais peoples still thinks that he is the best boxer from Thailand who didn't have a world belt, he was the Super Bantamweight and Super Featherweight WBC Asians champions. In Super Bantamweight he fought against Toshiaki Nishioka in a very well competitive fight, but if he was just some months after he was against Victor Terrazas maybe he have a good chance to win against him.


    Also another example Songkram Porpaoin never been a world champion but if he was against a lot of WBA World champions he will win at Minimumweight such like Kwanthai Sithmorseng, Muhammad Rachman, Noel Arambulet, Joma Gamboa, Keitaro Hoshino, Kim Jong-bun in fact he is superior and more skilled than 80% of the world champions in history of the WBA Minimumweight / 105 lbs.



    Also without corruption Laurent Dauthuile and Charles Humez was the world champions in the past.
     
  9. Bulldog24

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    Didn’t read the post just the thread title

    Tall & rangey Dwight Davison stopped the short/squat Lindell ‘dont call me Larry’ Holmes on the McCrory-Colin Jones undercard but never got a title shot
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Y'know, I was actually going by the title of the thread, which simply says, 'fighters who didn't become world champ' but I see what you mean, the OP does have a different meaning. @Flo_Raiden , it's your thread, how did you mean it?
     
  11. Flo_Raiden

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    Basically this. Fighters who didn't get to challenge for a world title or failed to become one in a title fight but still managed to beat fighters who were previously world champs or ended up being one later on.
     
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OK, either way. I figured as much when you made David Tua your example.
     
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    I'm running out here guys, but here are a couple of more who never even got their opportunity.

    Famoso Gomez - beat Danny Lopez, Rafael herrera, Romeo Anaya and Bernabe Villacampo. Moreover this was over 3 weight classes. Famoso was a top contender at Fly, bantam and feather without ever receiving a title shot.

    Johnny Risko - man, Johnny got around. He beat Jack Sharkey, Max Baer, Tommy Loughran, Mickey Walker, Paul Berlanbach, Jack Delaney and Bob Olin.
     
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    Yup, another absolute panamanian victory
     
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    Dominican Pablito Jimenez holds wins over Luis Estaba and Guty Espadas, and he suffered SD losses to Miguel Canto (in Mexico) and Jorge Lujan (in Panama), but he never got a crack at a world title.

    Shigeji Kaneko went 4-0 against Flash Elorde but never got a championship fight.

    Larry Boardman beat Sandy Saddler, Jimmy Carter, Paddy DeMarco, and Bud Smith. Never fought anything more than a ten-rounder.