Is Wladimir Klitschko a favorite over prime George Foreman and Sonny Liston H2H

During his window, he did fine in fights without a lot of clinching such as Wach and Pulev.

If we’re going to go down this rabbit hole, we shouldn’t forget the following:
1. Holyfield—headbutts, clinches, low blows, PEDs.
2. Foreman—two handed shoves, measuring, holding and hitting.
3. Tyson—elbows, twisting arms, dirty tactics in general.
4. Lewis—clinching, holding and hitting, incidental raking w glove laces.
5. Ali—clinching, taunting, dirty tactics by his corner.

 

The Pulev fight looked like two human seals slapping against each other. Knockouts cause amnesia

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Clinching didn't stop Forman from landing dozens of power shots to Ali's head and body. Just one of those salvos would put Wlad down in sections.
He neither had the mental fortitude nor stamina to endure more than two rounds of what was posted above.

Not only does this person assign attributes to Wlad that didn't exist , he denies the existence of Foreman's best attributes , like his ability to cut off the ring. No attention given to liars.

 

I didn't say he clinched hard vs everyone or couldn't without it but in my opinion it's significant.

Also this a thread mostly about Wlad not most other fighters. I absolutely think it's fair to criticize those fighters as well as many others and whenever you talk about PED's use in boxing people think Holyfield right away which is a negative connotation.

 

Sounds like a skill issue tbh

 

"According to the consensus of the Catholic Church, let anyone who believes that Sonny Liston and George Foreman couldn’t beat the brakes off Wladimir Klitschko be anathema." – Pope Leo XIV

 

People want Wlad lose badly tbf just because they don't like his style even though it was effective.

 

Clinching so often, and having so much of your effectiveness based on it, isn't really a style is it?

People go, but, but, but Ali clinched a million times versus Frazier!!!! Well Ali rarely did it at all in other fights. Wlad did it often, as a crutch almost. That's the problem people have with Wlad. Do you consider that unfounded?

While legal, clinching has rules: prolonged or continuous holding is considered stalling and illegal

 

Tbh he should’ve been disqualified against Povetkin.

 

Good points JT - I'm not sure I'd call it a style, either.

Ali's use of the clinch was tactical and within the boundaries of acceptable practice.

Wlad's use of excessive holding was strategic and a substitute for boxing.

 

A lot of people would support this, to put it mildly.

 

Exactly, and plenty of people have a big problem with it.

 

It was the same lol

 

No Neck's post at the beginning of the page. It wasn't only Wlad who did things that referees allowed. Lots of fighters throughout history have but because people here prefer those fighters it gets a pass at times.