Is Wladimir Klitschko a favorite over prime George Foreman and Sonny Liston H2H

Sorry, but comparing these two fights remains more than just a bit of joke.

On viewing, the sheer difference in quality between the bouts is plainly manifest.

 

Foreman never stopped anyone late during his prime, but fell apart twice. He never even won a 12 round decision in his prime in one of his fights.

 

I'll point out that Foreman got away with excessive pushing and horrible kidney punches that won him the fight against Qawi.

The Foremaniacs remain silent.

 

Count how many times Ali initiated the clinches then

 

Aren't the rules a consistent standard already? Boxers are called out for breaking them, historically or otherwise, all the time. Boxers have been penalized, lost points, and DQ'd as a result of breaking the rules throughout history.

I can't say it looks as though you're accepting of Wlad's criticism. You've been pushing back against such quite strongly. But if you are genuinely open to the critique, then perhaps apply the known standard to Wlad, regardless of how you think the rules have been applied/misapplied historically.

 

Yeah,well that could have something to do with Big George always stopping his opponents within a couple of rounds.
Damn, Foreman was cursed with nuclear punching power !

 

At this point your posts couldn't hurt anyone's feelings. There's got to be some substance for that.

 

No need. It is not even in the same city, let alone the same ballpark of Wlad/Povetkin.

Also, it's not simply about 'how many times'.

As I've asserted already the evident gap in class between the two bouts is so wide that there's little value in the attempt to compare them.

 

This doesn't fit the criteria. Ali-Frazier had 133 clinches. Wlad-Povetkin had around 180, nearly 50% more.

 

Louis--KO'd before the title.
Walcott--Ko'd before winning a title.
Moore--Ko'd before winning a title.
Hopkins--Failed in his first two title shots and got dropped twice in the second.

Oh, and Benny Leonard and Armstrong also lost a bunch of fights before winning titles.

But Wlad should definitely be defined by two loses and the one he avenged should be forgotten.

 

The 20 wins in title fights Wlad had (25 if you count the WBO reign) definitely makes up for the losses to a very large extent. I just have a nack at looking whole careers so I don't really ignore the losses either.

 

Except when he lost twice, once tasting the canvas against Jimmy Young.

 

I don't ignore the losses. He be next to Ali and Louis if he hadn't lost those fights, rather than edging out Holmes.

 

True Wlad can actually block a left hook and Povetkin can actually cut off the ring