Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán vs. Terence Allan Crawford & Christian M'billi vs. Lester Martínez RBR

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  1. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with this somewhat, however, i do believe Bivol vs Beterbiev one was EVEN HIGHER than what i witnessed from Fury Usyk 1. That Bivol Beterbiev 1 was getting me mentally drained just watching it, can only imagine how they were feeling
     
  2. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Last time I checked, landed shots count, that's how Chris Algieri and Paulie Malignaggi won most of their matches, while literally never hurting anyone. What? Are we supposed to disqualify anything that doesn't rop someone now?:lol:
     
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  4. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I respect that, some people cant handle it once their opinion/prediction pre fight doesnt prevail and they have to somehow justify it. Its just sport.
     
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  5. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think before the 11 and 12 there were two rounds each that were pretty decisive for each fighter, I can see people calling it close but for me I thought Crawford edged the closer rounds with his combinations.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Forget about no effect, they weren't even LANDING. Fewer than 1 in 10 actually hit a legal scoring area on Crawford's body. So...in the 5-10% range. It's what literally always happens when Canelo tries scoring body shots on movers with quicker feet (Trout/Mayweather/Lara etc) - he fails miserably and churns the air. The few that do thud home stick in people's minds and they just copy & paste in their memory thinking "oh he landed a bunch of body shots in that round" when no, he landed one, maybe two ..and threw a dozen more that hit Crawford's elbows, or his back (not a legal scoring area), or literally no part of him whatsoever.
     
  7. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They do count but the body is a much easier target head snapping shot are just worth more man
     
  8. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes but I don’t think fury usyk was that high level, the bivol beterbiev fights were the highest level I’ve seen in a long time
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    They're worth more than a piddily ****ing jab.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Clenelo hasn't stopped anyone in 4 years despite cherrypicking like crazy.

    Look what Sheeraz did to Berlangy in his first fight at the weight

    What featherfist Surace did to Mung

    What Mumg did to Juan Ryder

    What Shishkin did to Scull hurting him badly with a freaking jab and almost stopping him in round 12

    Look at Plant losing to a MW who has been knocked out 2 fights earlier and how Plant was dropped and nearly KO'd early by a club fighter

    The signs of decline were as clear as day. Clenelo stops those guys in his prime.

    You think I would've been so confident of Crawford winning if this was the Clenelo of 5 years ago?
     
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  11. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think anyone can get the super middleweight belts from Crawford until he retires.
     
  12. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Depends imo a head snapping jab is better than a hip shot on the protector.a liver shot or well placed sternum punch yes is worth more.
     
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  13. Walcott

    Walcott Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let's get things straight, Canelo would have always had problems with Bud, no matter the age, no matter the experience. His feet are made of lead, he has no jab, and he's facing an elusive southpaw who can punch as well as box.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    One thing for damned sure was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Weight bullies do exist, and Bud Crawford might be the sport's most egregious offender.:deal: He looked massive in there, against Canelo, who usually looks massive.:lol:
     
  15. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Not a lot of space between them stats-wise but if I'm reading this correctly then Canelo outlanded Crawford in total punches 6 out of 12 rounds and with power punches in 10. Crawford won the jab war 10 rounds to 2. That doesn't say who's punches were harder, who landed the cleaner more significant shots, or who controlled the fight but on paper this fight does look fairly even. Just look at those dismal totals though. This must have been fought at a snails pace. Canelo's first fight with Golovkin was excellent and had 200 more punches from each fighter. By comparison, this looks like a sparring match that broke out into a fight in rounds 9, 11, and 12. 28 punches a round. Canelo, don't strain yourself! Isn't the average at that weight around 60 punches thrown a round? Even Crawford only threw 44ppr. I haven't seen it yet, but this sounds more like a Mayweather fight than a Pacquiao fight. Crawford fought on the outside using his superior height and reach to control the range turning it into a sniping battle.