Which of these ATGs did Bud Crawford Out-Jump after tonight?

Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr.
Pernell Whitaker
Bernard Hopkins
Evander Holyfield
Tommy Hearns
Alexis Arguello
Julio Cesar Chavez

 

@asero?!?

Isn't this your first post in like a year?

Big fights always bring 'em home.

 

none of them.. Beating Canelo was good but Canelo lost to Bivol of late. that gets him ahead of any of these guys? Not a chance.

 

Probably none aside from maybe Holyfield.

 

Holyfield, Julio Cesar Chavez, and possibly (maybe not?) Arguello

 

I think Bud has a better resume and longevity compared to Arguello.

 

Alexis resume before winning his first championship is better than Bud's

 

If Duran didn't beat SRL and dominate an entire division for years,as the undisputed champ..before going on two unexpected comebacks,I think Bud jumps over him.

He's still not beating Duran tho, Duran nearly..if not actually beat (but got robbed) Paz in a close fight,he almost became a minor super middleweight champion.

 

Bud's got a legit case stacked up against Hopkins and Holyfield, as I regard those two guys lower than the rest of the guys listed.

 

Why does he have to out jump any of them, why all the Chopping & Changing of the TOP ATG's in History as if their Status is suddenly lessened by another, in recent decades often 'lesser' fighters themselves.

Achievement based listing is Cack.

P4P then H2H analyses is the best we can accurately do and even then subjectivity 'can' set in.

Crawford should me counted AMONG Greats, absolutely, no problem,
but there will still be dozens ahead of him in overall Skill & Superiority and there is never any shame in a Great Fighters scalling behind a Ray Robinson or a Henry Armstrong, that is just Life & Facts of it.

Last night showed very ordinary performances, but Good and Great fighters can & do do that to each other.

2 greats last night AMONG a Mariad of Historical Greats, many of which better.

 

Olivares, Escalera, Chacon, Boza Edwards, Watt, Mancini, Pryor
Burns, Gamboa, Khan, Brook, Porter, Spence, Madrimov, Canelo

 

None of them

 

Amazing fight from Crawford .. his ability to carry the weight and keep his speed and power and stamina was fantastic .. I also think the fight exposed Canelo's weaknesses and the fact of how badly he slipped ... Canelo looked slow, Canelo looked tired, Canelo has become a one shot at at time fighter and most importantly his power overrated .. We've watched Canelo win decisions since 2021 and kind of pushed it to the side as if everyone was running but in reality Canelo has faded .. I actually felt at times if Crawford pushed it he might have stopped him ... Kudos to Crawford for a terrific performance but really I was surprised Canelo had so little left.

 

I have to say that I am struggling to find historical parallels to what happened last night.

We honestly can't give Crawford too much credit.

 

Leonard over Hagler, much closer but the inactivity Ray overcame was huge .. Underrated is how Jones put on 25 pounds and diced up Ruiz .. it is a tough match up to draw a distinct equal to .. part of what made it hard to call going in ,,,