Given The Context Where Does Bud's Win Last Night Rank Against Floyd's Biggest Wins?

Crawford is a greater fighter now than Mayweather. Crawford fights the best in or near their prime. Mayweather did not. Not to mention weight clauses.

 

I'd argue the Canelo Floyd beat was a more dangerous version than the one Crawford did...

 

What Crawford did last night was superb but I don’t know if HIS win over Canelo can be seen as “ better” than Floyd’s. I mean sure, Canelo is bigger, stronger and has more notoriety now than he did 12-13 years ago. But Floyd was the same age at 37 as Bud is now when he beat a much Younger and undefeated Alvarez and arguably dominated just as decisively. Both guys had to rise in weight to face him but admittedly it was more so for Crawford. Still. Bud is a true ATG great. Just don’t know if I can rate him above Mayweather

 

He might have been. Alvarez hasn’t been knocking out many people as of late nor fighting as actively as he was back then. And we can’t forget that he’s now 35 years old with close to 70 fights of mileage behind him

 

I'd argue that jumping straight up from 154-168 made Crawford's win a more impressive feat than beating Canelo down @ an under-154 catchweight.

 

That’s ONE aspect of the comparison, yes. I’ve also always felt that that the catch weight thing has been over blown. Alvarez was about a pound and a half lighter for Floyd than he was for most of his recent fights and you know by that evening he was probably well rehydrated.

 

Canelo was green, drained and smaller. It was a good win for Floyd but Bud stepped in the lions den and came out with a trophy

 

Yeah it’s all about context, Crawford Is above Mayweather for me.
I never rated Canelo high but going up two weight classes and teaching him a lesson has value.
Canelo should just retire now, a tough guy but one of the most overrated boxers ever let’s be honest.

 

Crawfords win over Canelo is better but Mayweather still has a better resume

 

Crawford is my favourite fighter but I'd argue Canelo was drained from his trips up to 175, in the same way RJJ was never the same after going up and down the weights, and he is at the end of his career. The young, green version was more.dangerous in my opinion. And Crawford walks around at 190, fought at @170 last time out, hes a big old unit who strips right down for his previous weights.

 

That really isn't the same thing my man. Roy went from around 185 which he weighed against LHWs to 200 and drained most of that off. Canelo probably boxed at the same weight at 175 he did for 168 is my best bet. Roy also gassed early against Tarver in their first fight, he was clearly past it then

Crawford is also the older man, by 3 years?

Also just no, Crawford was a welterweight, if he got fat out of camp, he was still not strong at 168, Canelo was a monster at that weight.

Going up that level of weight against a fellow P4P no1 is pretty much unheard of.

 

I don't see it like that. Canelo himself started at light welter and was a small super middle in reality. Crawford was never a fat guy between camps, its his natural walking about weight. He weighed 169 fight night v Madrimov. Going up and down weights regularly drains you, the 'tolerance' at this level are reactions of a second, fractions of an inch and everything is affected by jumping around weight classes. I say again, Crawford has been my favourite modern era fighter, or at least one of them, and long before he beat Canelo. I think he'd have beaten a 'prime' Canelo, styles/fights and all that. I get for many this is his signature win, but we have to be real. You make the point Crawford is the older man and that is inarguable, but Canelo has many more ring minutes I think...even if we included Crawford's amateur career; although id have to go check that, but I think its true. For me Crawford has always been all about the eye test. His skills are magnificent, his hand speed, the effortless way he switches, his grace under pressure, his heart, I think he is an ATG and I think beating Canelo, any Canelo is a huge achievement, but I think Floyd beat a better, more dangerous Canelo than Bid did.

Great discussion man, thanks for your input, has made me think.

Peace and love, Px

 

Canelo weighed 168 pounds on fight night and had a 14 pound weight advantage over Mayweather which is probably more than what Canelo had over Crawford when both rehydrated.

Crawford walks around at 180 it wasn't at all much of a challenge for Crawford to make 168 and I've been saying this for ages but people wouldn't listen. And look at the pictures of Canelo/Crawford together barely any noticeable size difference except Crawford is slightly taller with a 4 inch reach advantage.

 

For me Canelo kept improving and learning post Floyd, because around that time he had a controversial close fight with Lara and Trout. It could be that Lara's movement would always give him issues. There will always be the question too about how affected Canelo was in making 152 was it? I think he was at his destructive best against Saunders and Plant, with Saunders being a good mover too, but below the top level.

With regards to draining and making weight, it's become a big part of the sport where fighters cut weight and put it back on to have a strength advantage over the opponent. My prediction was that 168 was too far for Bud to go and Alvarez's power and bodypunching would be too much for him. After watching the fight, I thought this fight was more about levels, styles and tactics rather than how close to either man's prime. Crawford probably weighing close to 168 in the ring where as Alvarez would have rehdrated and put on 10-15lbs at my best guess.

Crawford boxed far more conservatively than I've seen him box prior. He looked to use lateral movement to keep Alvarez out of position while using his reach and speed to beat Canelo to the punch. The first 4-5 Crawford was cautious not to engage too much but did have viscous counters to make his opponent respect his power. But after his power shots had more success he turned it up a notch and I did think Crawford was on his way to a KO win prior to the headbutt as Alvarez was hurt at this stage. That kind of broke his momentum in my opinion.

What surprised me was the in fighting, I expected Alvarez to ragdoll Bud or at least hurt him and have the advantage at this range. When in actual fact Crawford got the better of the infighting. His inside game showed sharper quicker punches and Alvarez couldn't get him off balance.

If there's a rematch I expect Bud to start quicker no that he's figured Alvarez out. I'm not sure what match up makes sense for him now. It's like he's completed the game but his earning potential is now probably at it's peak.

Thank you for the debate too, it can make a refreshing change to back and forth arguments you sometimes see in boxing forums.