Was Terence Crawford vs Canelo Alvarez competitive?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Devon, Sep 14, 2025 at 2:28 PM.


Was this fight competitive?

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  2. No

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    115-113 either way

    RBR scorecards were absolutely ridiculous. Online news is all about how Crawford dominated, which he did not.
     
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  3. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Most of the rounds were competitive. But most of the close rounds were close due to lack of connects with one fighter more in control, despite low connects. The several close rounds were mostly Crawford's rounds, and were more frustrating to Alvarez and more comfortable for Crawford. So, yes, it was competitive in a sense but in a way where my card was lopsided. It's like Wlad/Haye, where one guy is clearly winning but both fighters are making each other mostly miss.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Absolutely, while my 116-112 Canelo card in retrospect was obviously a bit excessive, I missed the first minute of Round 9, going back and rewatching it, yes... Bud won it clearly. Which drops my card down to 115-113 Canelo, which is perfectly acceptable. The fight from the 1st to the 10th was a nip and tuck affair, with both men having an argument for shading them. But the gushing over this masterclass or schooling that supposedly Bud carried out, never happened. It's a delusion planted in the minds of the viewers by vermin like Max Kellerman and Andre Ward. People love to pretend like they're not impressionable lemmings, yet they fall for these bull**** narratives over and over. 115-113 either way is fine, any wider, you're full of it and were clearly overreacting to and blowing out of proportion everything Crawford did. While of course I picked Canelo to win, I intensely dislike both of them. Ironically the AI score and punch stats reflect what I saw, whereas the wide scorecards for Bud, well... reflect what you were all programmed to think.
     
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  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I didn't score it past the first few rounds so i need to rewatch it. My impression was it was a very even fight until end of 10th. Crawford clearly took the last 2 rounds. It reminded me slightly of Beterbiev Bivol 1. Bivol fought well in the first Beterbiev fight but clearly lost the championship rounds. Hard to win a close fight when you lose rounds 11 and 12.

    I agree it wasn't a one sided schooling but Crawford was dictating the fight more often than not. Canelo landed some thunderous body shots and good rights but lacked combination punching and slowed down too much in the last 2 rounds for him to win.

    I will rewatch and properly score it but my impression was Crawford edged it. I disagree with the 9-3 type scorecards though.
     
  6. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    I thought Crawford clearly won, but it was very competitive. Particularly in the first half and less so in the final half -- but still competitive.

    "Skipper's card" was utterly moronic.
     
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  7. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Active Member Full Member

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    116-112 Crawford, you could make the argument for 117-111; the majority of Canelo's work was hitting gloves and elbows, especially the body work. The notable shots, the better work, and cleaner combinations, all from Crawford. Better inside work and better outside work, Canelo didn't win any aspect of this fight.

    Bud threw more, landed more, and Canelo's corner told him he needed to throw everything at Crawford in the last two rounds as he huffed and puffed and showed frustration, incredible performance really, and I thought he would lose. He admitted he lost to the better man in the post-fight presser, so I think any suggestion of Canelo winning is through a biased lens. Canelo fought like a champion and had his moments, but he was outboxed pretty convincingly in the end, and I don't see how anyone could make the argument that he won more than 4 rounds.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Very. There's a reason why they drafted in two massive Crawford salad tossers in Kellerman and Ward to do the commentary: In order to create a narrative that Crawford was outboxing Clenelo even when he wasn't and to acknowledge or make a big deal out of his shots which are falling short, missing or are being blocked and to do the reverse when Clenelo lands

    You have home country ref and three home country judges

    Home country commentators at least 2 of whom are known massive salad tossers of the home fighter Crawford, 1 of whom is a notorious Clenelo hater and has been taking shots at him for years trying to discredit his resume whilst blowing smoke up Crawford's ass for his far worse one

    I had Crawford winning but he was barely doing anything in many of those rounds apart from moving and moving his arms more whilst barely landing with anything. Clenelo was landing with big eye catching shots, especially to the body, even though he wasn't doing too much either whilst Crawford was busy putting on a clinic giving the appearance he was outboxing him despite hardly doing or landing with anything
     
  9. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Yes

    Then Canelo slowly but surely began to slow & his BASIC gameplan started to wilt as he wilted. Didn't adapt. Just let Crawford take control.
     
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  10. Farl Crampton

    Farl Crampton New Member Full Member

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    I'm tired of all the hype and people claiming that this fight makes Bud one of the GOATs, they gave him rounds because they were surprised at how well he was doing but that doesn't mean he actually won those rounds. Was a close fight but not a particularly entertaining one and I fail to see how an event like yesterday (together with the atrocious commentary) will attract many more fans to boxing... they had a golden opportunity with Netflix and they blew it.
     
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  11. MetalLicker

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    I had it 8-4 Crawford. I can also see 7-5, or even 9-3 for Crawford.

    It's somewhat competitive, but a clear win for Crawford.
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Maybe the fact that you weren't focused so closely on scoring and pushing your agenda, it gave you a clearer perspective as to what was actually happening. Because you saw it as clear as day. Crawford was clearly dictating the flow of the match for the vast majority of it, but people far too often become hypnotized and fall into the trap of awarding the fighter they think is in control of the fight more credit than they deserve. That happened a mere two matches earlier, with many on the RBR, with the expectation that Mbilli was going to eventually catch and KO Martinez, ended up ignoring the fact that Martinez through virtually every round was lighting Mbilli's ass up with counters. So they were so distracted by their assumption of what was going to come o pass, that it blinded them to what was happening right before their eyes. Crawford edging it is perfectly fine, not going to argue that, but only by a smidge.
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Precisely, and people hilariously deluded themselves into thinking that Crawford was the B-side here. Propagandists push propaganda with the expressed intention to mislead, sometimes the gulf between what is happening in the ring and what they're saying is so vast, that it becomes impossible to ignore. While sometimes when the match is close, all it takes is a nudge in one direction or the other to completely alter the viewers perspective entirely. Great, so many of Canelo's wide hooks were being caught on the arms on Crawford, or the back/rib area. While Crawford was fencing with his jab, but rarely landing it flush. So who do you give credit to in that round? The guy landing shots that while not scoring, are still impactful, or the guy mesmerizing people into thinking he's doing more than he actually is?
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Competitive yes but not in anyway debatable in regards to Canelo winning a decision.

    All Canelo did was plod forward and got his body punches blocked all night long. Crawford didn't dominate Canelo but he neutralized him and outboxed him at range clearly.

    Jabbr.AI had Crawford outlanding Canelo 172-68 which means the small minority who scored it for Canelo were scoring body punches that weren't landing.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yes of course it was competitive.

    After 11 rounds you could feasible have had Canelo one round from drawing and one kd from winning.

    Lots of close rounds early on.
     
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