Is Crawford the best fighter of this era?

Fury nearly lost to Ngannou in the fight before Usyk. I don't really buy that Fury was ever that good. I know some people do, but I think Crawford jumping up essentially three weight divisions to outbox Canelo is miles ahead of any individual Usyk performance. I think the best argument for Usyk being better than him P4P is the way he cleaned out the cruisers rather than the heavies; his resume has a lot more depth. I would say the Canelo win, and the manner of it, puts him above Usyk for me. If Inoue goes up to featherweight and cleans up, then Inoue takes the title of P4P back from him.

 

Canelo is the best Fighter of this Era. He has given us more great fights, more legendary moments, more hotly contested decisions. A better overall level of competition than Bud or anyone else since Floyd Mayweather. He has been the face of boxing, and while Bud winning was significant, I don't think it overshadows what Canelo has done in the sport. His Greatness is still more than that of Bud, given all that he has accomplished. But Bud certainly has put together a hell of a resume himself, and with this win puts him on another platform. And congratulations to Bud for this win. It was a phenomenal performance but did he really do enough to deserve to dethorne Canelo? I'm not so sure. Many of these rounds were tough to score, especially if you are factoring in effective aggression into the equation.

 

Hi Buddy.
Not feeling the tag " monster " or " giant " with reference to Bivol, Mayweather yes, but not Bivol, ok he beat Canelo, and squeezed by Beterbiev, apart from the limited Arthur, nothing on his record would have him warrant him being labeled as such in my estimation, for me The Durans, Monzons, Leonards, Alis, Grebs, SRR, are the true monsters, to put Bivol in the category as them seems premature to say the least, this is the way I see it, others have have their own opinions, so be it.
No knock against you buddy, you have posted many a thoughtful and interesting post, long may it reign.
stay safe Philosopher, chat soon.
Mike.

 

Fury was the lineal heavyweight champion saying you don't buy he was ever that good isn't really an argument. I could say that I don't buy that Canelo was ever any good as he does not have one legit win over a P4P opponent. Usyk can't help that there is only one division between cruiser and heavyweight but that alone is a big jump. Even if they are not as skilled as some of the lower weight divisions guys like Fury, AJ and even Dubois with their size and power makes them extremely dangerous.

Crawford has two names on his resume Canelo and Spence. Neither of them was in their prime when he fought them.

 

There are plenty of fighters who beat the man who aren't actually that good, though. Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs, and Buster Douglas were lineal champions, but they're nowhere near the ATG discussion. Personally, I remember watching the McDermott fight live, I remember the Ngannou farce, and the multiple pointless Chisora fights; I think that matters in the long run. Usyk is an icon and an undeniable legend of the sport, but I'd say it's because of his cruiserweight run rather than his heavyweight run.

I'd argue that Fury was miles from his prime after nearly losing to Ngannou, too, and Joshua was past it after Ruiz had taken his soul. Great wins, of course, but if we're going to say Bud beat an out-of-prime version of Canelo, then we have to use the same argument for the versions of AJ and Fury that Usyk beat.

Canelo's win in the second Golovkin match was a legit win over a P4P opponent, I'd say. Charlo was also P4P top 10 after cleaning up at 154. He shouldn't have been near 168, but he was definitely in the P4P top 10 argument. Crawford's resume is weaker, I agree, but his individual achievements surpass Usyk, I think.

 

He's great. Probably beats most fighters around his weight. Top ATG. But I disagree with the eye test. For me, it's all about competition/resume. You can look amazing beating some guys but then all of a sudden someone makes you look pedestrian, even if you win.

 

Disagree with all of this. Only one of the Chisora fights was pointless the first one they were both undefeated and the second one was a world title eliminator. AJ did not lose his soul in the Ruiz fight that is another exaggeration just like saying "multiple pointless Chisora fights" Fury was still undefeated when he lost to Usyk. There is no way Canelo won either of the first two fights with GGG. Both Fury and AJ were much more dangerous than Canelo who has not scored a KO win in 4 years.

 

Usyk, easily.

 

Nah, if Canelo struggled with an old mma fighter and got dropped before he lost to Crawford he would never live it down. We'd never hear the end of it from you people. Joshua being more dangerous than Canelo is a joke, less skilled with a far lesser legacy. Opetaia is more dangerous than Anthony Joshua. He beat up a bunch of past it contenders like Pulev and Povetkin but for some reason he's above Canelo ? who was already the undisputed champion and you want to brag about undefeated ? Canelo beat undefeated ranked contenders like Munguia, Berlanga, Scull, and dominated super welterweight champion Charlo who was also bigger than Bud. Beat up John Ryder too

Stop it. Joshua is a fraud, he got his ass beat by an obese fringe contender.

 

You people? What does that mean?
Fury is more hated on here than Canelo and copped it hard for the Ngannou fight. I look at things realistically and it was obvious that Fury did not take that fight seriously. AJ is a fraud? Ok how does being a 2 time unified heavyweight champion make you a fraud? Please explain? Pulev and Povetkin although older are a lot better than Berlanga and Scull. The Charlo fight was a farce he had no intention of winning same as Scull.

 

But it doesn't matter. Fury shouldn't have to take it seriously, the gulf should be that big. It still happened, and if it happened to Canelo we would never hear the end of it. Canelos legacy would have been practically destroyed.

You think they're better because they're heavyweights. Povetkin in his prime wasn’t better than Charlo pfp who Canelo dominated, Charlo just wasn't as good as Canelo. Pulev even in his prime is not better than Munguia. Munguia was already a champion at 154

Lastly, why are we acting like Fury was in his prime ? He was the same age as Canelo and unlike Canelo Fury was never undisputed. People are acting like Usyk cleared the division, 3 people is not even half the division

 

Povetkin was better than Charlo prime for prime. Everybody knows that heavyweights don't age as fast as the lower weights so Fury being the same age as Canelo is not really a factor. I would say Pulev was better than Munguia who only won a belt at 154 because he was a giant weight bully who beat a under sized welterweight for the title. I think the versions of Fury and AJ that Usyk beat were better than the version of Canelo Crawford just beat.

 

Absolutely not. Povetkin never won a world title in his entire career. Pulev was 40 when joshua beat him, the win means nothing. It's interesting how nobody wants to list the ages here and just spam that joshua beat top contenders. Joshua is not better than the version of Canelo than Crawford beat and Fury was literally older than Canelo. Fury coming off a horrible performance many thought he lost and against an mma fighter on his debut. Canelo was the undisputed champion and beat everyone he came across at 168. You have to be trolling.

 

Usyk is an Olympic gold medalist, he won the WSB tournament against bigger opponents, and he completely cleared out the cruiserweight division against some very strong fighters. He then went on to arguably clear out the heavyweight division as well, facing much bigger men who outweighed him, were taller, and had longer reach. And heavyweight isn’t even his natural weight class - he has to force himself to eat just to compete with today’s super heavyweights.

As good as Crawford is, he has always walked around at a higher weight than he competed at. He is also taller and rangier than Canelo, who himself is clearly past his best. Now, if Crawford were to beat some clearly bigger, younger fighters at the top of the division, then the discussion would start to get interesting.

For now, though, Usyk is clearly the best fighter of this generation, with Crawford competing with Inoue for the second place.