Terence Bud Crawford vs Sugar Ray Leonard @147

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Who wins ?

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  1. Terence Bud Crawford

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  2. Sugar Ray Leonard

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  1. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He is not.

    SRL UD BTW.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Crawford is levels above Kalule. I don't Leonard is good enough to dominate him, I don't think anybody is
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So, what you said was that Crawford isn't bigger than Leonard. He is. That's the simple fact.

    Doesn't mean that he would beat Leonard. With same day weigh-in at WW it would probably work against him. But that doesn't change the fact that he is bigger. He has posted a walk around weight at 185+ lbs ffs. He's massive.
     
  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never said he wasn't. You are misquoting me

    I know he walks around at 180, but Crawford is not that big in the ring at 147, he is hagler sized at welterweight. Fighters have always cut down in weight even after they got rid of same day weigh ins, Hagler could've been 10-20 pounds heavier out of training camp, its likely he was because most fighters gain weight outside of camp, it happens to almost everyone. Hearns was definitely huge out the ring
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What are you talking about? I quoted you directly as seen above.

    Crawford is much bigger than Leonard. Leonard was perhaps a couple of pounds heavier in the ring than at the weigh in and probably had a walk around weight in the 150's. Crawford has posted walk around weights at 175+ and even 185+. He has said himself that he didn't put on weight for 168, rather just didn't have to cut muscle. No way Leonard was that big.
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No you didn't. You have no quotes of me saying "Crawford wasn't bigger" you are not reading

    Boxers have ALWAYS cut down in weight it happened even before same day weigh ins. The very reason they got rid of same day weigh ins was because boxers cutting down that much without rehydration was a health risk. We just have no idea how big those fighters were outside the ring.

    You are using walk around weights which is irrelevant. Crawford was 169lb against Madrimov at 154. Thefor he wouldn't be bigger than Hagler in the ring as a welterweight, this fantasy fight fight is at 147, Crawford would weigh in the low 160s at most. If you want you can just use middleweight Leonard
     
  7. Bokaj

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    MW Leonard wasn't 170 lbs in the ring (I think 169,8 was Bud's exact weight in the ring against Madrimov). So even at 154, Bud was much bigger than Leonard at 160 (which wasn't prime Leonard, so don't know why we should use him).

    Prime Leonard was probably around 150 in the ring, which is seven lbs less than Crawford was at 140. Not to mention the version who destroyed Spence.

    Leonard said himself that he had to build himself up for 160 in the same day weigh in era, while Crawford has said he just doesn't have to cut muscle for 168 in the day before era.

    Why don't just give this up. You're arguing against simple facts.
     
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  8. Bronson666

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    I would have to give Leonard the edge by decision. Bud hasn't faced anyone with Leonard's skill level, speed, and ring IQ.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Could go either way, but Crawford is way better at 168.
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's your opinion that it's a huge difference. Leonard beat Hearns who went all the way to light heavyweight and beat someone who is bigger than Canelo and Crawford. Fact.

    Crawford would be about 160 as a welterweight, same size as Hagler who a past it Leonard beat and Crawford doesn't use his size to maul unless he has them hurt, so it's not a substantial difference to me. The size would only be a big factor in regards his Crawfords power.

    Leonard is taller and faster. Just like Bud was slightly taller and faster than the bigger Canelo
     
  11. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure what Kalule has to do with anything.

    Depends on what you mean by "dominate".
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard couldn't dominate southpaw Kalule, so odds are he wouldn't have his way with Crawford. It would be a very competitive fight realistically
     
  13. Man_Machine

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    Leonard did exactly that - stopping Kalule inside of 9 rounds.


    It would go something like Leonard/Benitez.
     
  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    He didn't dominate Kalule, it was competitive. I have Leonard beating Crawford, always have. Crawford is certainly better than Benitez though
     
  15. Bokaj

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    For the second and last time, I did not say Bud would beat Leonard because of this. In fact, I said it would work against him at WW with the same day weigh in. Of course, at 168 with the day before weigh in it would be a quite different thing. It all depends on rules and weight.

    But he is walking around way heavier than Leonard did and was probably more than 10 lbs heavier in the ring for most of his WW fights, and at 170 for Madrimov he was probably some 15 lbs bigger than Leonard against Kalule.

    So he's much bigger. I'll leave it at that.
     
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