Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I said he was 157 lbs in the ring against Postol. This is documented fight night weight at the age 29, this is a fact, not an opinion based on what appears to the eye. To claim someone’s natural weight class is 11lbs higher than what they weighed on fight when they’re 29 is, for lack of a polite way to put it, an outright lie.
     
  2. Indiantakeaway9

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    after 2 days straight of ridiculous amounts of praise lavishing, embellishing and guffawing over Bud Crawford's razor close win over the tired haggard looking, going through the motions, disinterested, barely walking cadaver of 20 year pro Canelo Alvarez

    If it wasn't a ''staff member'' ( who's still just some random geezer) writing out this twaddle then it would be being massively slammed by everyone. but let's just pretend that Terence Crawford is not nearly 38 and moving up three weight classes from his natural division shall we? yeah. also, it wasn't especially close as Canelo only conclusively won 3 rounds so that is not ''razor close''

    Boxing forums are so bizarrely childish man.
     
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  3. Homericlegend03

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    This 80 guy seems like a bit of a dork
     
  4. Homericlegend03

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    People are such shameless agenda pushers on here man
     
  5. Serge

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    Crawford has been rehydrating a lot of weight in every weight class he's fought in

    As much as 18lbs at 135

    17lbs at 140

    He would've been doing roughly the same at 147

    And he rehydrated up to 169.8lbs for his DEBUT at 154 and weighed over a pound more than career 154 Madrimov

    Career 160 GGG's very consistent fight weight was 170, 0.2 ounces less than what Crawford weighed for his DEBUT at 154, and he was super lean at that weight

    If Crawford is a small guy how comes he weighs the same at 154 for his debut at that weight whilst being super lean with very low body fat than GGG did for the vast majority of his career?

    He weighed more vs Beltran at 135 than career 140 Postol did against him at 140

    He had a 5lb weight advantage vs Postol

    He weighed more vs Postol at 140 than career 147 Horn did against him at 147, He would've had at least 5lbs on him too

    So he's moved up 4 divisions by this point and he's very often been the bigger man, rarely smaller, extremely rarely if ever at all much smaller, or roughly the same size as his opponents even after moving up to his 4th division

    And he has often had a huge or big reach advantage or the reach advantage even, even at 154 and 168 he did

    Clenelo said he comes in at 178-180 at 168

    Crawford weighed a crazy lean 167.5lbs on the scales for the Clenelo fight and had clearly rehydrated a good amount of weight even by the ceremonial weigh in later that day

    I said he would come in at 175 bare minimum but I think it may well have been closer to 180 or as much as 180

    Speaking as one of the world's leading authorities on fight night weights, Crawford has a deceptive body. He's heavier than he looks. Madrimov looked bigger than him but Crawford weighed a but more than him


    Clenelo might have been heavier but I doubt it would have been by much

    So Crawford despite fighting in 4 weight divisions and in his 6th from the one he started out at has never fought anyone much or way bigger than him or ever been at a reach disadvantage

    How many times has he been at a 10lb weight disadvantage?

    Even just 8 or 5lbs?

    The most I've heard of his 4lbs but I suspect he might have given away 5lbs or above a few times. I'd be surprised if he gave away more than that 2 or 3 times, and very surprised if he has ever been giving away 10bs. Very

    Crawford turned pro at 20 at 135 but technically he's only weighed within the lightweight limit six times, often just over or a few pounds over

    Usyk was campaigning at MW in the ams, 165 in the ams, at 20 but he moved up to LHW that year (178) but that was with same day weigh ins. Had he turned pro when he was at 165 he only would've had to cut 5lbs to make MW. Had he turned pro when he was at 178 he only would've had to cut 10lbs to make SMW, so even if he turned pro when he was at 178 in the amas he would've done so at SMW. If he was a weight bully like Crawford and many others he could've cut even more and turned pro at 154 or 160 and then rehydrated 15-18lbs

    But Usyk has been fighting guys he size, bigger, a couple smaller, and WAAAY bigger at HW, who outweigh him by between 13-55lbs. Can anyone find one instance of Crawford ever being outweighed by 10lbs or having been at a reach disadvantge?

    His fans act like he's been slaying giants despite him very often being much or the bigger man and never having been undersized at any weight vs any opponent

    If you're going to be praised for slaying giants and much bigger men then surely you actually have to do that to warrant such praise? Usyk has routinely been doing that, in his opponent's backyards or on the road, vs massive punchers and legit bangers, often as the B side with the deck stacked against him with 0 home refs and a whopping 2 home judges combined in ALL of his fights since fight 9. In other words, the opposite of what Crawford has been doing
     
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  6. PrimoGT

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    There's no such thing as "p4p"
    Usyk is the best fighter because he's the best heavyweight. He'd beat all the others, probably. But he needs to defend that ranking by fighting ranked heavyweights, which he has been doing, tbf.
     
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  7. Homericlegend03

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    It seems like you hate Crawford. Calm down buddy
     
  8. Banana-Rama

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    It's dangerous to rehydrate too much before a fight. He obviously wasn't going to rehydrate all the way up to 180 pounds :confused: Maybe you should ask Crawford's trainer why he thinks Crawford should have been at 168 years ago, if he's just a little guy that doesn't belong there why should he have been there years ago....

    Crawford ''This is the first fight I don't have to cut MUSCLE''
     
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  9. ellerbe

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    I agree with 99% of your post and the main point. I just can’t get behind calling Moloney and Cardenas B tier when you rank Canelo and Spence in that tier too. Those guys are C level at best.
     
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  10. Serge

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    Here's another thing

    I have watched countless Usyk and Crawford interviews over the years and I have very rarely ever seen Usyk introduced as the P4P king.

    Conversely, I have rarely seen the interviewer not introduce Crawford as such

    If Crawford was a CW/HW and had achieved what Usyk has done and the ways he's done it everyone would've had him P4P#1 all these years

    That's his American privilege and yes US fighters are the most privileged in the world and it ain't close

    Don't believe me

    The US is literally the only country in the world where they stack the deck with a home ref and three home judges for world tittle fights between a home and away fighter and even worse it's practically the norm over there and that is a MASSIVE advantage

    It never happens anywhere else and the only time I've ever seen it happen somewhere else was during Covid restrictions and that was once

    Then factor in that there is zero pressure put on US fighters to travel to their opponent's countries and their top boys are the least likely to ever do so and on the very rare occasions they do they or their fans think it's an outrage and very unfair if the judges come from their opponent's country. They have to be neutral or they ain't fighting them over there. Crazy eh?

    I've seen so many ignorant ''Inoue needs to leave Japan and come to the US'' comments on social media from US fans pretty much all of whom being fans of Crawford, Twink, Haney.

    Inoue has fought outside Japan x 5 and x 4 in the US and he's a huge star in his homeland, sells great, and he's the champ and the A side. You won't ever hear a peep out of these clowns about US fighters needing to travel outside the US but on the rare occasions one of their boys does they make a big song and dance about it and want to award them the Medal of Honor for doing so once even though they will never be fighting on a stacked deck of a home ref and three home judges like foreign fighters do in the US every goddamn week
     
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  11. DynamicMoves

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    I agree, Usyk is number one. That said, I don't think one needs to tear down Crawford's accomplishments to hold that opinion.
     
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  12. Serge

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    I'm perfectly calm thank you very much and I like Crawford. I enjoy his style, rate him highly, always have and I think he's an exceptional fighter. However, I simply don't think he's P4P#1 and his resume is weak for a 42 fight vet P4P star and if he was from another country it would widely be considered so, and certainly by his fans across the pond. It's not his fault and he hasn't ducked anyone albeit he should've given Madrimov a rematch because Madrimov was the champ, brought his belt to Crawford's country, and they stacked the deck with a US ref and 2 US judges, 1 neutral. The divisions he's fought in have just been weak or if they weren't fights couldn't get made or he didn't hang around in them

    I've laid it all out in great detail why I don't think he's P4P#1 and no one can ever answer the series of questions I pose to support my argument. No one has ever even tried because even if it pains them deeply deep down they know I'm right
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As I said in another thread here are some pros for Crawford being rated above Usyk.

    Crawford has beaten 2 top 10 P4P fighters Spence, Canelo, where as Usyk hasn't beaten any top 10 P4P fighters.

    Crawford has 20 world title wins compared to 13 for Usyk.

    Crawford is undisputed in 4 different weightclasses which is a fantastic achievement.

    Usyk has better P4P feats in regards to beating much bigger world class fighters than himself. Plus his resume has more quality names overall.

    But I wouldn't say there's alot between them and you can make a case for both men depending on your criteria.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    And another thing I see Crawford fans do all the time is cite Usyk saying Crawford is P4P#1. Not a single one of them would rank Usyk P4P#1 if the roles were reversed, especially prior to Saturday night

    Of course they conveniently ignore the fact Usyk is extremely humble, would never eveb contemplate hurling his toys out of the pram about not being ranked P4P#1 like Crawford has numerous times in the past and done so about fans criticizing the level of his opposition which simply is a valid criticism but he acts like he's been fighting killers.

    Usyk is never going to rank himself #1 and he explained why he never allows himself to rank himself highly and consider himself great: Because he's a devout Christian and Jesus would not approve of him doing so

    But these clowns keep ignoring that

    He ranked AJ and Belly above himself after beating both twice FFS :facepalm:
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Regarding Spence

    He forged a career cleaning out 147 of its 140 pounders, like Crawford barely facing any legit punchers, especially ones his size, and only fighting 2 career 147 pounder champs during his career and only defending his world titles against one during his entire six year reign (Porter)

    He struggled badly vs the only 2 career 147 champs he fought. The Brook fight sung his way after the head clash in round 8 shattered Brook's good eye socket, the other one had been shattered in his previous fight


    Brook KO 65%
    Ugas KO 37% career 140 pounder who came up
    Danny KO 52% career 140 pounder low KO% at 147
    Mikey KO 71% blown up 135 pounder whose KO% above 135 = 0
    Peterson KO 41% career 140 pounder
    Algieri KO 31% career 140 pounder
    Bundu KO 32%
    Van Heerden KO 36%
    Ocampo KO 60% even Spence admitted Ocampo had no power
    Lo Greco KO 47%
    Porter KO 47%

    ^^ That's why Spence was unbeaten and his chin hadn't been shattered long ago. They kept him away from punchers, especially ones his size.

    Hell, it nearly got shattered by Ugas and the other average power guys at best guys he fought who had him spitting out his gumshield to buy time after being hurt

    Spence should've never been near the top 5 P4P

    Briedis is a way better fighter than Spence and if they were the same size would 100% knock his ass smooth out

    A same size Gassiev would knock Spence out for a month

    Crawford dropped him with a jab and he had to spit out his gumshield in numerous fights to buy to after being hurt by average punchers at best]

    Why was Spence top 5 P4P but Briedis never top 10 when Briedis is much better than him and was actually beating career CW champs not LHW ones and featherfists? Briedis is a 3 x CW champ, is super tough, skilled, explosive and punches like a mule, and is a complete fighter with no real weaknesses which is is something we cannot say about most fighters, and he gave Usyk his toughest fight at the highest level whereas Spence was totally outclassed at the highest level.

    He did worse than Avanesyan and much worse than Mean Machine vs Crawford
     
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