Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do me a favour lads. Who’s actually the best SMW in the world rn? If Crawford beats them then I think the discussion is worth it. Until then it’s

    1. Uysk
    2. Inoue
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    3. Crawford
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    When have I ever complimented and lavished praise on Canelo? I've long been one of his most ardent denigrators on this site. I've long thought his supposed ATG legacy was built atop a stack of lies and deception. There's always an asterisk over almost every important win on his ledger. He has the flashiest resume in the eyes of know nothing casuals, that's for damned sure. But every time he stepped in the ring with someone in their prime without some Golden Boy bought and paid for edge, he ended up taking an L or getting a gift. People have been saying Canelo is washed for years now... I was merely holding out hope that he wasn't quite as shot as I was suspecting he might be, and the jump in weight would slow down Crawford. Silly me, as Bomac said, he should've been at 168 for years now.

    As far as AJ goes, his skills have never been in question, it's his fragile mandible that is. He certainly didn't have a history of being schooled like Canelo. Also, when Canelo got his gift draw against Golovkin, in the rematch nothing really changed, he got schooled again. Whereas with AJ, he was the one doing the schooling against Ruiz. But of course, you're one of those nincompoops who can't see past whatever crazy notion that's dominating your mind at the moment, which is why you have such a horrendous track record when it comes to **** takes.:lol: You're also the P4P **** Take King on here.
     
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  3. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Heavyweight is from 200 pounds to unlimited, why would any fighter weigh the lowest weight possible for Heavyweight when Cruiserweight is just below and against easier competition.
    You're not automatically better nor do the extra pounds matter when you're able to perform at a certain weight at heavyweight, this has been proven countless times in heavyweight boxing history.
     
  4. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exapnding on this… who’s the best rated middleweight?

    Even Crawford beating them would make the discussion worthy
     
  5. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also, if anyone is questioning AJ as an A ranked win, (maybe it’s an A- in all honesty) I did a post a little while back, probably a long while back on AJs resume and although it’s not the best era we’ve seen of heavyweight. Far from it, it’s actually pretty damn impressive. Better than Fury’s in fact
     
  6. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    What are you talking about, David Haye was literally the WBA Champ after beating Valuev who outweight him by 100 pounds. It's a great doe cause of the weight difference. :lol:
     
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  7. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Joshua hasn't had a win against a ranked opponent in over 6 years.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    HW is the open class. You can weigh whatever you want and fight in the weight class.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd take Canelo's SMW resume over AJ's HW resume.
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Heavyweight in the amateurs is Cruiserweight. Heavyweight in the pros, is Super Heavyweight. Sure, what Bud did was impressive, but at the end of the day, he jumped 30 pounds over the course of 15 years, to fight a guy who jumped 20 pounds over the course of 15 years. Usyk fought a guy that had a 55 pound weight advantage on him in the ring, he was 226 pounds in the Fury rematch, while Fury was 281 pounds. Then when you take into consideration Usyk's natural weight is 200. That's fighting a guy with a 81 pound advantage. On no planet is what Crawford did to Canelo superior to what Usyk did to Fury.
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    I think Pulev and Wallin were both ranked as nr 10. But, yeah, his wins since Povetkin haven't been much to write home about.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Aj is one of the most overrated heavyweights of all time. He is not elite. He looks the part but all his best wins are damn 40 year olds like lethargic Pulev and ancient Povetkin, while he was smack dab in the middle of his prime. Go and make a list of the ages of ajs opponents compared to Canelos. It won't look good i guarantee it. Chinny, mentally fragile, no gas tank beyond round 7 when the pace is pushed. Aj doesn't have a history of being schooled because all his best wins are has beens and you literally scored Parker Aj in favor or Parker dude, which is funny how much you want to praise him as some A level fighter. The same joshua who fought Usyk got absolutely demolished by Dubois, joshua wasn't past his prime. Even his team admitted he was better than ever before and punching harder than ever, coming off 2 dominant performances against Wallin and Francis right before Dubois blew him away.

    Unranked Ruiz beat the crap out of aj and then Andy came in the rematch unmotivated and 20 pounds fatter. Had Ruiz not gained that much dead weight he probably would have stopped aj again. And then all this talk about recent performances and lies and deception, do you not remember Fury scraping by a 37 year old Ngannou on his professional debut and getting dropped twice ? It was a split decision. Fury is an even BIGGER cherrypicker than Alverez and only beat 5 ranked fighters through his whole career.

    Canelo ranks higher than both. Better resume, better accomplishments, and he certainly has superior skills to Anthony Joshua of all people. That's not even a debate. Canelo was unbeaten at 168, the undisputed champion and facing numerous contenders. Charlo was the #1 champion at 154lb, bigger than Crawford and Canelo toyed with him, so that adds even more to Crawfords victory
     
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  13. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    That's why it's unlimited, because after a certain weight, more weight is meaningless, it becomes a detriment more than anything. I'm not really sure what's so hard to understand, how long have you been following boxing?
     
  14. tinman

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    Put ut this way, Heavyweights enjoy far more fame and make significantly more money than Cruiserweights do. But few Cruiserweights ever make a serious go at HW and try to take over the division.

    Why not if there is so much more fame and fortune? Because its that ****ing hard to move up to HW.
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    For some reason Bud jumped right over facing Janibek Alimkhanuly, the southpaw KO artist at Middleweight. It would seem like being yet another Lineal champ would be more than worth it for his legacy doesn't it, doesn't it? Bud didn't even wait around to take on Jermello.
     
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