Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its unlimited because at some point the fans want to know who the best fighter in the world is. If you are the undisputed HW champ then you are unquestionably the worlds best fighter. The fighters at HW aren't subject to an artificial handicap imposed upon them. It is literally who is the best fighter.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's not even Canelos whole career
     
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  3. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah but that’s purely eye test and subjective. Leading up to the Usyk rematch AJ was 2-2 with a KO loss and a decision win over Andy Ruiz, win over Pulev and a dominant decision loss to Usyk himself. You can say “Usyk made him look better than he is” just as much as you can say “AJ looked good”.

    Canelo was 7-1 in the last 3 years, with very dominant wins over Charlo and GGG and his loss coming against Bivol at 175. And against Crawford he didn’t look “horrible” at all, he wasn’t in GGG 2 mode but this was one of Canelo’s finest boxing performance in the latest years, he looked far more motivated than he was in his previous matches, looked sharp and fast on his feet and his technique was on point as per usual, Crawford simply had an answer to everything.

    Usyk overcame a much greater size disadvantage but that’s about it.
     
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  4. kdyehs

    kdyehs Active Member Full Member

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    I don't hear Crawford saying Usyk is P4P number one in your video. All I hear is "yeah" followed by "it is an opinion". There is plenty of video where Crawford ranks himself P4P number one. And more than one video where Usyk ranks himself below Crawford.

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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who was the undisputed super middleweight weight champion before Crawford ? There's your answer. Anything else is nothing but conjecture. That's why you can't even answer your own question

    I can not believe you people are dishonest enough to label Canelo a B level win and then turn around and call joshua A level when Canelo accomplished more, was unbeaten at 168, demolished Charlo who unified 154 and has a better resume of wins overall. Ridiculous
     
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  6. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dillon Whyte, a future top 5 guy that was ranked as the best challenger behind the current champs.

    Martin was a belt holder (although a very weak one in a historical sense) may have been in the top 10

    Takam was probably just outside the top 10

    Klitschko although past it was still one of the longest reigning champions in the division history, likely would have still been top 5 if he was active.

    Parker a current title holder & I’m guessing top 5 at the time he beat him.

    Povetkin a former world title holder & ranked as the 3rd best heavyweight for a number of years & arguably the third best heavyweight from the previous generation. No doubt in the top 10 when Joshua beat him, has now become a top 3 contender after KOing Whyte behind Joshua & Wilder.

    Andy Ruiz a unified champion as well as top 3 ranked heavyweight despite coming in out of shape

    Kubrat Pulev - Top 10

    Otto Waillin - Top 10

    Now let’s consider Uysk fought a prime Joshua and Crawford beat Canelo who is years past his best, that holds weight.

    is that a better resume than Billy Joe, Rocky fielding, GGG 3, Charlo and Callum smith? Personally I think so, it’s pretty close, but even if it isn’t it’s not like Crawford was fighting prime Canelo.

    Uysk 2 wins over Joshua EASILY trump Crawford’s win over Canelo and you could make a fair argument about the decisiveness of the victories being taken into account as well
     
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  7. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Heavyweight in amateur boxing is 200 pounds, Super Heavyweight is unlimited, it's was essentially meaningless separating the two when the Super Heavyweight weight-class was created in 1984. Alexander Povetkin was a career amateur Super Heavyweight and considered "small" for modern heavyweight boxing, are you telling me weight would play a difference if he faced the 2004 Heavyweight gold medalist Solis? Yeah okay.
    Usyk fought a fat blob who should of lost to an MMA fighter with 0 fights, idk why you think Usyk should get extra credit for beating an obese, overrated clown who ducked the Wlad rematch like the plague just cause he outweighed him. Seems absurd to even think about.

    When has Usyk's natural weight ever been just 200? He was legit rehydrating to heavyweight while at Cruiserweight, are we living in bizarro world now? :lol:
     
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  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Again, Crawford turned pro at 20 y/o at 135 and he has been rehydrating a lot of weight in every weight class he's fought at and not only been the much or bigger man often when he moves up but never much smaller in any weight class he's fought at and he has NEVER been or looked undersized at any weight, even at 168 vs Clenelo, because he isn't

    Usyk turned pro when he was almost 27 and when he was 20 he was campaigning at 165lbs in the ams with same day weigh ins. He moved up to 178 that year but had he turned pro that year he would've either done so at 160 or 168 with 24 hour weigh ins whilst not being a weight bully

    So let's just go with Usyk turning pro at 168 at 20. That's 32lbs to the CW limit, coming from 165 to face fighters who weigh 233-280lbs (280 clothed) at HW

    Name one time Crawford has been giving away even 10lbs?

    You have 42 fights and from 135 to 168 to find one

    It should be easy, right?

    How many times even just 5-8lbs?

    How many times has he been at a reach disadvantage in 42 fights from 135 to 168?

    NEVER

    Floyd moved up numerous weight classes and he was often the smaller or much smaller man and he was giving away 15lbs to Clenelo

    Same thing with Manny

    Loma was routinely giving away 10-15lbs at 135 vs fighters with much or way longer reaches, often as much as almost 6''

    He was giving away 20lbs, with a 36 hour weigh in, almost 6'' in reach, on a deck stacked with a home ref and three home judge's vs Haney in Haney's backyard. No one will be able to name a single current American fighter who has ever even just fought a world title fight in their foreign opponent's backyard with a home ref and three home judges because it never happens or ever will do, let alone whilst also giving away all the rest and guess what he's done the former many times

    Crawford whilst a brilliant fighter isn't doing any of this

    EVER
     
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  10. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This was just a genuine question, I wasn’t trying to prove anything. I was more curious if anything.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I've bashed Canelo and Joshua with equal measure, so there's no gotcha games you can play with me. That's means I see both of them far more fairly than pretty much everyone else. I'm not talking about resume, clearly Canelo's looks the shinier of the two. Having a razor close match against Parker, one of the best pure boxers at Heavyweight, isn't being schooled, especially when the vast majority thought AJ won it with ease. Yeah, Dubois KO'd him, just like I said he would, because styles make fights. It's why Crawford had a far easier time with Spence and Canelo than he did Madrimov and Porter. Which no one ever wants to talk about now do they? The man was getting taken to school by a guy who should've lost to Ugas and drawn with Granados. Regardless, Usyk beating two much larger men that virtually everyone said he had no chance in beating, will always trump Crawford beating a guy who he has a stylistic advantage over, who he ended up being bigger than on fighter night.:lol:

    Super Middleweight has been a squalid wasteland of Light Heavyweight weight bullies on their way out of the door and blown up Middleweights for the last decade. It's long been a joke of a division. The 5 natural Super Middles he faced, Smith severely weight drained, Fielding a bum, Yildirim a bum who was brutally KO'd by MW CEJ, Berlanga a horrid bum, Scull and Plant both absolute joke. The rest were Middleweights or Light Middleweights. GGG, Munguia, Ryder, Saunders and Charlo.
     
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  12. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    It's unlimited because after a certain weight, weight is meaningless, they've already figured this out 200 years ago. You're not gonna get any better if you're naturally 210 pounds and gain 20 pounds in your next fight, Wilder already figured this out the hard way. You're also not automatically going to be better if you're the bigger fighter in the ring, this has been proven countless times over multiple combat sports.
     
  13. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Canelo had beaten someone like benavidez at SMW in the last 2 years, that Crawford win would be elite tier, just saying.
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Martin literally beat no one in the top 10, he's a damn journeyman who kept the belt warm
    So then the win amounts to nothing if Takam was outside the top 10
    Good win, but he beltless, 41, and arguably washed
    Povetkin was 39.
    Who did Ruiz beat to win those titles ? That's right, his claim to fame is beating the stuffing out of joshua himself
    Don't make me laugh
     
  15. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    was Ruiz a unified champion yes or no?

    Would Wlad still have been top 5 yes or no?