Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    The best heavyweights of their generation losing to the smaller man.
     
  2. Homericlegend03

    Homericlegend03 Member Full Member

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    No Im not a snowflake. I just find your writing annoying. You seen ot think that your some genius when your thats my issue, your blandly annoying to me, outside of that I dont think of you.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Stop insulting Fury and Joshua by comparing them to that uncoordinated lumbering behemoth, he's Alexander Ustinov with a chin.

    As I just stated, Fury fights to the level of his opponents, because he's a lazy cokehead. When he brings it, he's one of the best Heavies ever, when he phones it in, he gets drops and looks like ****.

    Usyk is older than AJ and Fury. AJ is a 35 year old 13 year pro with 32 matches. Fury is a 37 year old 17 year pro with 37 matches. Canelo is a 35 year old 20 year pro, with 68 matches on his record. Roughly one less match than Joshua and Fury combined. Yeah... I'd say that's over the hill.:lol:
     
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  4. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That’s so relevant bringing up Wlad Vs Brewster instead of the 7 year undefeated Wlad that won almost every round against Haye, that would then go undefeated for another 4 years.

    Thank you, honestly.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But it was no schooling, which is what you insinuated and that is complete nonesense. The moment Crawford was told that Porter wss ahead he outclassed him and had him on the canvas twice. I saw Crawford control the fight at range and just get outworked up close. Povetkin was up on most people's cards against aj too, but Povetkin was much older than Porter and gassed by round 6. Had he not gassed he probably would have KO'd joshua. Kovalev still won a world title after getting KO'd twice. Ruiz was unranked when he battered joshua and came in 20 pounds FATTER. He had cement feet, that win for joshua is so overblown it's ridiculous. He won his belts back from an obese fringe contender.

    It's nothing but excuses. Ngannou is a damn mma fighter on his debut and he was OLDER THAN FURY. That was a joke of a performance and he got dropped twice. You have no right to talk down to any other division after that nonesense. Furthermore the divison had a bunch of past it contenders who never became world champion in their prime including Chisora still get top 10 spots not too long ago lol

    Current Canelo > prime joshua. Canelo even now is more durable, has better punch selection, better defense, superior IQ, was still the man at 168 and ironically has better stamina too. Past is Canelo is still superior to aj and his career is far superior overall. That's all there is too it. Canelo whooped Callum Smith who is in the top 5 light heavyweights today and multiple other ranked contenders and they weren't pushing 40 either. Charlo was the best 154 pounder at the time and Canelo beat him up easily, so that has to add to the smaller Crawfords victory. Saying Usyk has better achievements is one thing but this downplay is stupid. Usyk has 0 greats on his resume
     
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  6. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    God I remember why I switched to the classic forum 10/11 years ago, most of ya’ll are cooked
     
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  7. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They were all good wins they deserve credit.....
     
  8. TNSNO1878

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    I definitely don't put Valuev on that level, but if we are saying weight disparity is such a huge factor in P4P, then surely it's a valid argument in your eyes? Usyk might be older, but he's had far fewer pro fights, far fewer miles on the clock; AJ and Fury were battle-worn, and in Fury's case, his addiction stunted his potential significantly. Canelo was more battle-worn than Crawford, despite being 3 years younger than him; age isn't the only factor, I think. I rate Usyk as an awesome fighter, an undeniable P4P great, but I definitely put Crawford in that same bracket.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    You're 100% snowflake, all of your whiny posts have confirmed that. I am a genius compared to you, and all of the other derpy asswipes who unthinkingly equate slickness with greatness, pledge undying allegiance to them and view them as infallible, while denigrating come forward fighters who are just as slick, which is a far harder feat to pull off than putting on a pair of running shoes. If you really valued an immaculate skillset, with impeccable defense, Usyk should be your number one guy. But we all know what your real criteria is now don't we?

    The feeling is mutual. I take it that you're the alt of a former poster I've banned. No one could have feelings this strong after less than 2 months of posting. So tell me, whose Alt were you? As far as the blandly annoying crack, I've gotten 74 likes for this thread alone.Almost a 4th of all the likes you've received in the last 2 months. I value their judgement mor than yours fanboy.
     
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  10. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    He was 28 years old and had Emmanuel Steward in his corner, not trying to hear any excuses. Brewster would of done the same thing in the rematch but he was heavily demotivated losing his WBO belt, extremely inactive and just had surgery on his left eye, being on medical suspension in the United States but the fight was held in Germany, so things get swept under the rug.
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Again, for the umpteenth time, Crawford turned pro at 20 at 135

    Usyk was almost 27 when he tuned pro

    At 20 he was fighting at 165 and 178 with same day weigh ins and only would have had to cut 5lbs to turn pro at 160 or 10lbs at most at 178 later that year, not 15-18lbs

    So Usyk has come way up in weight since 20 y/o and has never been a weight bully

    Usyk only turned pro at CW because he turned pro way later than Crawford did and there's a 25lb gap between LHW and CW, not weight classes every 5,7,8 or 9lbs

    Crawford fighting guys in his 4th weight class he weighs slightly more than with a huge reach advantage

    At 168 who aren't even much bigger than him, again, with a big reach advantage

    Imagine Mean Machine was even just 10-20lbs heavier than him with a much longer reach?

    One of the very few KO artists/legit bangers Crawford has fought roughly his size

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    Usyk has run a murderer's row of KO artists/legit bangers not only his size but much or way bigger, in their backyards and on the road, and never even been really hurt by a headshot or in danger of going down from one

    Briedis is as explosive as hell

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    Gassiev one of the hardest punchers in the sport and I mean P4P too

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    I can keep going just at CW alone

    We can do HW next

    Crossing a minefield not one with hundreds of dummy mines scattered across it

    We go from 20 y/o onward and Usyk has an Olympic gold, World Amateur gold, and European gold to add to the mix and he won all his gold medals on the road and all his world titles as a pro in his opponent's backyards sans one on the road

    Crawford has won 1 of his 13 world titles on the road the rest at home
     
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  12. Homericlegend03

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    Former poster? Are you drunk or something. Also I dont care about likes bruh.
     
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    Homericlegend03 Member Full Member

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    You must really pathetic to value the opinions of boxing forums posters so highly in your conception of self. No wonder you go on such long rants.
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Oh, so... Crawford's own corner saw that he was losing and he needed to bail himself out with his power? Doesn't that pretty much confirm that it was a schooling now doesn't it? If it were close, I doubt Bomac would've been as freaked. I had Povetkin up as well, but Povetkin has only lost to elite fighters, unlike Porter, who should've lost to Ugas and arguably Granados. Speaking of excuses! Excuses, excuses! AJ won because he outboxed him, had he went to war with him, he might've gotten KO'd again. That shows a high boxing IQ, if that were Crawford doing what he did, you'd be slobbing his knob six ways from Sunday over it.

    You mean he beat up the guy that was schooled by Tony Harrison, got a gifts against Brian Castano, Vanes Martirosyan, Demetrius Hopkins and Austin Trout. Who has had to bail himself out more times than I can count with his KO power. Holy ****, what a stupendous win!:lol:

    That mythical Canelo you speak of disappeared after the Bivol drubbing.

    What am I even talking to someone who thinks Bivol would KO Dubois and thought Frank Sanchez would be a divisional kingpin for?
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Sure... you're a first time poster, who has this built in inherent dislike of the Mods. Totally believe you!;) I don't care about likes either, and I certainly don't care if I alienate and offend morons like you. Ironically my disdain of intellectually dishonest bull**** artists is why I racked up the highest like count in the site's history with a whopping 239,961.

    If you don't value the opinions of posters who are human beings, who agree with you. Then why are you even wasting your time here? I go on long rants, because the sport is complicated and there's a lot to be said about it.
     
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