I love Bud, but can't put him on Floyd's level. Not greater or better, IMHO.

I think Spence will likely make the HoF but that obviously doesn't tell the whole story about Crawford's level of opposition when he faced them (imo Brook is one of the most talented opponents he faced but obviously was at the end of his career when they fought). Same thing applies to Floyd but no matter how you look at it, the difference in overall caliber of opponents between the two is huge.

 

Bud mentioned on the Joe Rogan podcast that it was supposed to happen if Pac beat Jeff Horn, but we all know what happened there.

 

PBF has all those great wins without a doubt but how many are clean,there is a dark cloud hovering over his career !
https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

 

Floyd beats Crawford H2H.

 

canelo says bud is better ginger wouldn't lie

 

Behind the scenes training footage:

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Why do you say. He did struggle against augustus

 

I just rewatched the fight. I could barely watch the fight at the time because I lost $200 on Canelo and had directly bet against Claressa Shields and Shakur. Something I had never done before. I also always loved Bud but thought this was a money grab.
I really thought there was an edge to be had because everyone had to say Bud would win because Bud would never let you live it down if you picked against him.
Claressa is just the best boxing mind there is though. She nailed it that Bud is just that special to make the adjustments.
If Bud retires right now I go:
1. Bud
2. Ray Robinson.

Floyd is 3, 4 or 5 with Ali for me even though I hate Ali. Probably put Duran in there too. What Bud did is just hard to process. For sure I would never pick against Claressa again. That was really stupid on my part. Claressa is the best mind in boxing and talks huge trash.

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Really dumb on my part when she lays down the gauntlet for Bud vs Benavidez in this moment.

 

Comparing Broner and Burns to Bud is laughable. Yet you have the gall to talk about context, You clearly only use context when it fits your narrative.

For 1- Bud is a 5 division champion. Lineal in 4. Undisputed in 3. Meaning he was the REAL champion in 4 of those 5 divisions. He took the belts from the actual champions. No vacant belts and no elevations. Floyd was never undisputed once. And wasn't a lineal champ at 154 because he fought Canelo at 152. Which is not the 154 limit. Which means it shouldn't count. So even though Floyd has won belts in 5 divisions. He was only lineal in 3. Never undisputed as i said before.

Floyd didn't necessarily fight tougher o[position, he just fought in a time where boxing was more popular. So people look at his resume and see names that they recognize and automatically think they were better. Floyd never fought the best fighters at their best. He ducked and dodges, picked and chose. Again you only use context when it's suits you. Anyone with boxing knowledge can pick apart Floyds resume.

I can't tell if it's blatant bias in your argument or just ignorance? So when Floyd moves up he's fighting bigger guys? But when Bud moves up he's not fighting bigger guys? Lmao! How does that work in your mind.

Bud is a more decorated fighter than Floyd. Factually. And his story is still being written.

 

You do realize that Bud fought a far more experienced and decorated Canelo at 168 right? You can't expect him to look as he looks at his optimal weight.

You do realize that Floyd drained Canelo down to 152 when he was 23 right?

You can't even compare those 2 fights. Buds fight with canelo had much higher degree of difficulty. If Bud fought the 152 version of Canelo that Floyd fought Bud would have stopped him.

I disagree that Canelo had success against a Bud. Bud beat him in every single way. Inside, outside and mid range.

Canelo didn't abandon his Jabs and feints, Crawford took them away. How so you call yourself and boxing fan and not understand actual boxing.

Canelo didn't jab because his jab was countered with Bud better jab and longer reach.

Canelo didn't throw many punches because Bud wasn't there to be hit, and when he was. He was catching and shooting. Every time Canelo threw a punch something was coming back at him. Unlike when he fought Floyd and Bivol, where he could just throw shots and hit their arms and shoulders freely. Bud was countering those as well. This is why Canelo was much more visually frustrated and **** down. Bud actually hurt Canelo. Something Floyd and Bivol didn't do.

140-147. Bud is a a better fighter than Floyd was.

 

I think Floyd’s greater. Could Bud beat him at 147? I think maybe

 

Lol what ?

 

I think Bud is actually Floyd's kryptonite at 147. Bud is everything Floyd would have a problem with at 147.
I can't see not putting Floyd and Bud on the same ring IQ at this point.

I know in this fight I discounted Crawford's physical strength. I knew this video from awhile back and how freak show he is in terms absolute strength . I made a mistake with size vs absolute strength. I knew Bud was the stronger fighter based on absolute strength going into this fight but I made a mistake of magical thinking based on time series weight.

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No worries. You won't understand