Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And reason aside—that's for Lara you ginger, steroid-fueled breeding bull. Mayweather, Golovkin, Bivol, and now Crawford. Not the greatest Mexican boxer. Not even close. Should have listened to one's own medicine when it was convenient to claim Golovkin was too big and you ain't moving up.

    Loving every L on that record.
     
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  2. theanatolian

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    Ortiz himself arguably lost to a guy who just went 0-2 with the gatekeeper Brandon Adams, that doesn't mean ****.

    Triangulation ain't gonna get you nowhere, certainly not when one of the fighters who's been a subject of discussion in this very thread went life and death with a non-boxer who currently has a 0-2 record not too long ago.

    And we keep hearing Canelo being washed up (he definetly is faded) and his lack-luster performances against the likes of Scull, Berlanga etc was him showing his age. Who's to say 3 years older Crawford's lackluster performace against the "10 fight novice" wasn't down to same reason? LOL
     
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  3. Serge

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    Listen to what Crawford says here regarding whether he would fight Benavidez or not and the only reason why he was willing to fight Clenelo

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    "My thing is Benavidez is a big dude. Not to say I won't fight him. I fought his brother and his brother was big when I fought him. The only reason why I entertain fighting Clenelo is because he's not a big dude. He might be thick but he's not a big dude. Benavidez is like 6'2'' and then he gonna come it at 190 . 200, probably. That's a big dude.

    Nah, it is to say you won't fight him and fighting his 147 brother at 147 is a silly comparison

    '' You just size them up. Size them up. Especially when you go into a bigger weight class. You size them up and see your advantages''

    Meaning physical advantages. He doesn't want to be conceding big physical advantages or he wants to be the one who has them.


    And this

    "I WAS STRONGER, PUNCHED HARDER THAN CANELO"

    “I was stronger, I punched harder and that was just it,” Crawford said. “A lot of people put too much into me moving up in weight and things like that. But like I told y’all once before, Canelo is not a big guy [5-foot-7½]. He’s a smaller guy fighting in a big weight class. Me and him is practically almost the same height. I’m a little taller [5-8]. My arms [are] longer.

    “He got a little wider frame, but he’s a little shorter. But all in all, we’re around the same size. So, by y’all saying, ‘Oh, Canelo’s this massive size,' it was disrespect. Then, when y’all seen me weigh in, then y’all say, ‘Oh, well, they about the same.' It’s not a big difference.''

    So he's managed to move up six weight classes and whilst never having fought any much bigger dudes, let alone way bigger and often been the much or bigger dude himself when he does so, or roughly about the same size as his opponents, even if they're career fighters at that weight and never been at a reach disadvantage. Ever.

    Reach is a huge component of his success a d he knows it too because with that 74'' reach of his just 4'' shorter than Usyk's (and obviously his reach was 74'' at 135, 140, 147, and 154 and in his 2 fights above 147, one at 154, the other at 168, he had a big/huge reach advantage over both his opponents) he gets to fight at a distance where he is on range and his opponents are out of range and they have to cover ground to get past that reach and get into range to land their shots and he can lean back, step back, get on his bike, or block the shots. If Clenelo had the same reach as him or a longer one or much longer one you think he would've struggled to land with his big shots or not?

    I'll tell you who's a big dude. Greedy Belly is a bog dude. He's a freaking huge dude who was not only way heavier and taller than Usyk but he has the reach of an orangutan and that alone posts huge problems when it comes to the shorter, way smaller much shorter reach guy, even if they're as skilled and brilliant and tough as Usyk, to try and close the distance and especially when Greedy Belly is an excellent counter puncher and has a very good jab and is fast and agile for his size and is as skilled and slick with those counters

    AJ is a big dude. A huge dude with a much longer reach than Usyk

    Dubois is a big dude. He's an absolute unit

    Chisora is a big dude. A very big dude who was way heavier than Usyk

    And they all punch very hard or ridiculously hard against men their own size and bigger, let alone smaller or way smaller


    But Usyk wasn't sizing them up saying they're big dudes, weigh 240-280, and they're much or way bigger than me

    Or Belly is much taller than me, 55lbs heavier than me with a huge reach advantage too

    AJ is way bigger than me with a much longer reach

    Dubois and Chisora are much bigger than me

    And not only are all these guys much or way bigger and heavier than me but they they all punch very or are absolutely murderous punchers

    He relished that challenge and trying to cross that minefield where he makes one mistake and he's out cold and he on top of that he fight them all in their backyards on a deck stacked against him or on the road and the only reason why he didn't fight Belly in England the first time is because Belly ducked him after Usyk agreed to do so

    Usyk would e fought AJ, Belly and Dubois in England twice apiece if not for the Saudis in addition to having fought Chisora there too. Would Crawford ever do that once vs a much or way bigger dude who can punch holes in castle walls, let alone fought way bigger dudes in their backyards or on the road like Usyk has many times
     
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  4. Serge

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    Also, notice how Crawford has had problems vs Soviet school in the past

    Madrimov arguably beat him and most had it razor close despite Madrimov having to make a huge leap up in class

    Mean Machine dropped him and should've been ahead after 3 rounds

    Crawford stunk the joint out vs Pistol. He was on his bicycle all night and only really stopped pedaling for short bursts, and when he scored those 2 flash KDs, one of which was a back of the mind shot which the home ref ever so conveniently ruled a legit KD in complete contrast to the home ref not counting a clear KD for Mean Machine vs Crawford

    I think a big part of that reason why he was on his bike all night vs Postol is because Postol was a skilled boxer with only a slightly shorter reach and if he tried to play the I'm going to do my usual stand in my range and hit you when you're out of range it wouldn't have worked as well as it usually did for him

    That fights was very competitive prior to those 2 flash KDs

    Avanesyan he KO'd and pretty much had his way with but he stiff-armed a lot in that fight (or did that constant probing jab which intention is to keep the opponent at arms length not hit them with it. It's a sneaky way of stiff-arming) to prevent Avanesyan getting in close where he left his combos and heavy shots go and of course the home ref allowed him to do so

    And also of course they all fought him in his country on a deck heavily stacked in his favour
     
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  5. h8me

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    That’s simply not true. Usyk himself has said multiple times that he needs to eat a lot to make weight at heavyweight, and that doing so is very difficult for him. His conditioning coach has said the same.
     
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  6. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO, a p4p HW is too far into made up fantasy nonsense.

    It's a SRR promo run amuck at best and made up fan bull at worst but either way you slices it; the heaviest is the p4p best, makes no ****ing sense no matter the usage of the word.

    Whatever world of semantics bull**** leads a man to call p4p a resume or feats issue, I can not follow.
     
  7. tinman

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    I'm going to disagree with CST here and agree with you that Canelo is a more skilled fighter than Joshua. Even though Joshua was closer to his prime.

    But here is the thing, Usyk is a natural Cruiserweight moving up to fight one of the biggest and strongest HWs in modern boxing history. The physicality of the Heavyweight division cannot be overstated. For a smaller man to move up and take on the monsters of that division is very hard to place into perspective. There is a reason so few former Cruiserweight champions would ever consider taking on Joshua.

    The HW division makes SMW feel like ballet. The difference in physicality is night and day.
     
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  8. NoNeck

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  9. NoNeck

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    1. Haye had success at heavyweight and won a belt in the generation before Usyk.
    2. Ditto Toney (a former 160) in thr generation before Haye.
    3. Before that? Moorer, a former 175.
    4. Before that? Holyfield.
    5. Before that? Spinks, who showed no interest in the newly started division.

    What you write sounds good, but isn't actually true.

    And 135 pounders winning 168 belts? I think it's just Crawford and Thobela, who briefly held a paper title.
     
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  10. tinman

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    How many former cruiserweight champions become the #1 Heavyweight in the world?

    It's a completely different world at HW. The physicality is turned up 10 times.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    The only guys I listed who didn't reach number 1 were Haye and Toney. For Haye, that's because he had to deal with the K bros and injuries. But even Haye was beating up Wilder in sparring and favored over Fury which almost came off. And Toney also had to fight during Klitschko time.
     
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  12. tinman

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    Spinks was blown out by Tyson after beating an ancient Larry Holmes. Moorer won the HW title by beating a blown up Holyfield. Toney was never the man at HW.

    Usyk went after, in their prime, career HWs. It's not the same.
     
  13. NoNeck

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    Ancient Larry Holmes was probably a little bit better than Joshua.

    Toney had no issue fighting Rahman and Peter multiple times while being a fat slob.
     
  14. Pimp C

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  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I get it. I still place a lot of stock in a guy moving up to HW and beating a career, natural HW in his prime for the HW title.
     
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