Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    How many 135 pound fighters become undisputed at 168???
    Holyfield fought at CW and was much smaller than usyk and dominated HW.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's a good point. 135 to 168 is impressive. Only thing you can say to knock it is that Canelo is not a career, natural SMW. If Crawford had beaten Froch or Ward, I'd have him above Usyk easily.
     
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  3. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    Crawford proved you wrong. You thought he was going to get beatdown and that he was cashing out. Remember you telling me I wanted Bud to lose when talks of him fighting Canelo first started a couple of years ago and I said it was nonsense and that Bud could beat Canelo.

    Bud is not the Charlo sisters or Gervontas 30 year old prospect ass he's built different from those female dogs.

    Glad to see him finally getting the credit he deserves and ppl jumping on his bandwagon and only realizing how great he his and has been all along but most only noticed that now when he's already 38 years old.
     
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  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Yes he proved me wrong i thought the fight was nothing but a cash grab by both men and nothing more. To my surprise it wasnt and Crawford actually showed up to win and shocked the world. It's good to see Crawford finally getting his do he's been elite for quite awhile now.
     
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    This is really off-topic but for those claiming Gen Z is “bitchmade”, earlier generations weren’t any tougher, it was just less sociably acceptable to speak out on your feelings back then so they preferred to hold their feelings in and cope with it by beating their wives and bullying their sons.
     
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  6. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    This thread was started because a fan boy was so jealous that another fighter was getting praised for some that his Man Crush will never accomplish.

    This guy labeled Canelo a B level fighter because he lost to Bivol and Floyd, then argues he has other losses that are "unofficial"...... But then turns around and gives ultimate praise to AJ who lost to fat boy. The same AJ he had been discrediting repeatedly because he was an opponent of Usyk.

    I can do nothing but laugh at this thread
     
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  7. Slyo

    Slyo New Member Full Member

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    Usyk is among the best boxers of this era but very overrated :

    - He beat Fury who got embarrassed by a MMA fighter... Fury best win (in a very boring fight) = old Klitschko.

    - He beat Dubois who got embarassed by the former cruiserweight Lerena. Not to mention that Usyk had a very controversial win in their first fight (he should have lost in my opinion). Usyk is the first champion in boxing history who literally spent about 5 minutes lying on the ground in a fight... especially weird when you saw Bowe vs Golota...

    - He struggled against Chisora.

    - He beat Joshua who is the only decent name in his resume in my opinion. Joshua is a good name, but his best win is still an even older Klitschko. Despite being old, Klitschko still managed to knock him down...

    - Here's a fun fact : Usyk lost against Shawn Porter in amateur boxing while Crawford easily beat him in pro...

    Crawford obviously has a much better resume than Usyk, it's not even comparable.

    No wonder Crawford is the current pound for pound in any official and reputable ranking, such as Ring Magazine.
     
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  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Usyk is 6’3 and his walking around weight off season is 215 pounds, heavyweight starts at 200 pounds and is unlimited. Usyks averages 220 pounds, so what exactly are you saying? Usyk struggles to gain 5 pounds of weight for a 2 month training camp? :lol:
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Crawford, have gloves won't travel massive weight bully who has forged an entire career weight bullying leprechauns and smaller fighters or at worst his size or slightly bigger, never been at a reach disadvantage or anyone much bigger than him,

    Fought on a stacked deck or heavily stacked deck in his backyard/country 41 of 42 times with home country refs for all his fights, 2 or 3 home country refs for all bar one of his world title fights vs foreigners and even then the 3rd judge was neutral, and the only time he dared to use his passport his fans wanted to award him the Medal of Honor for doing so even though, in complete contrast to heavily stacked deck he hand his countrymen enjoy back home vs foreigners in world title fights and just in general what with them being by far the most privileged fighters in the world and it ain't even close, all the judges came from the US


    And despite having spent a huge part of his career being a massive weight bully who has never been at a reach disadvantage, often having been the much bigger or bigger man, rarely smaller, extremely if ever at all much smaller or ever having fought anyone even 10lbs heavier than him and rarely even 5lbs or more, enjoying that privilege and having that stacked deck, he's barely fought any KO artists or legit bangers, let alone ones his size and on one of the few occasions he did he got dropped by Mean Machine

    And let's not forget he's been working with disgraced PED guru Vic Conte too. Hmm..

    Beat Burns who should've been coming off 2 Ls, because one of those 2 fights was a shameless robbery and in his previous fight against Jose A Gonzalez (Who?) he was getting his ass whooped prior to suffering a freak arm injury and having to to retire in his corner in between rounds, so much so that he was down 84-87 on all three of the judge's cards in his own backyard

    Beat tiny blown up 126 Gamboa who had no right being up at 135, let alone vs a gigantic weight bully with a whopping 9'' reach advantage and a 7lb weight advantage and in terms of natural size and weight it was a lot more

    Gamboa had only fought at 135 once and he laboured to a unimpressive UD win over a fighter who KO 37% featherfist Anthony Crolla KO'd 2 years later

    The funny thing is Crawford was badly hurt by Gamboa even though Gamboa only has 2 stoppage wins in like 13 fights at 135 IIRC and whose form is trash at that weight, should be like 7-6, hurt so badly he was on wobbly legs, a clean punch away from disaster and it took like 30-60 seconds for his head to completely clear

    Beat a 9lb lighter Beltran who had 6 losses going in, including 2 via stoppage

    Beat the bang average Dulomre

    Ditto Diery Jean


    Ditto for 5 loss Lundy

    Beat Postol whose only claim to fame was beating a badly shopworn Lucas who had been in 3 brutal wars for the ages in 3 of his last 4 on a freak eye injury after spending the first half of the fight holding like an octopus



    Even though Postol isn't a puncher, was 5lbs lighter than Crawford, and was fighting on a deck heavily stacked against in him, in you guessed it Crawford's country with a US ref and 2 US judges, 1 neutral, Crawford ran like a thief in the night from him and stunk out the joint terrible. Usyk literally walked a way way heavier way longer reach Belly down, stood in front of the way bigger Dubois and knocked him out, never ran from the way bigger AJ, all of whom are bog punchers or murderous punchers

    And Postol was dropped x 2 (only 1 KD counted) in his very next fight by a 13 fight novice nobody and VERY nearly KO'd

    Don't believe me. Look at his legs they're complete gone

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    And in Postol's next fight he lost and was dropped hard again, not flash KD/flash KD rabbit punch like he suffered against Crawford, by a very green 12 fight Josh Taylor who didn't run and stink out the joint like Crawford did even though he had never fought a prime world class fighter before, been past 9 rounds, or had 6 or 7 world title fights going in



    C level punching bag John Molina who was coming off a big win against a shot Ruslan who had all the stuffing knocked out of him by Lucas


    ''Olympic gold medalist'' Felix Diaz - remember the huge song and dance Crawford fans made about Crawford beating gold medalist Gamboa and Diaz? But I thought amateur fights don't matter? Despite the fact one was a way smaller blown up 126 giving away a freakish 9 inches and the other was only a gold medalist because their opponent was robbed blind in the semi-final. Guess what? Usyk is a a gold medalist

    Diaz lost in his very fight to someone with 6 losses

    Glass jaw Indongo whose record for facing featherfists going in made Crawford's and Spence's look like Usyk's in terms of punchers faced. The KO% of his opponents going in was hilarious. Never seen anything like it. He's been stopped by damn near every puncher he's faced and early or in the first half of the fight. 7 of his 10 Ls by KO or stoppage

    School teacher Jeff Horn whose claim to fame was winning a hometown foul filled robbery of the year type robbery. Go and checkout how many scored that fight for Horn among the press row.

    In fact, it was such a robbery The Ring Magazine still had Horn ranked 90 something out of 100 after the fight in their annual ranking the top 100 fighters in the game feature



    Peg-leg cripple Jose Benavidez whose leg was so badly damaged after getting shot he was told by a doctor he'd never fight again and he used to cry during training because of the physical pain it caused him

    Benavidez drew vs a nobody in his next fight and only has 1 win in 4 since losing to Crawford

    A shot to bits glass-jawed Khan who he couldn't even KO and could only beat on a foul

    Mean Machine one of the very few actual KO artists/legit punchers Crawford has ever fought, especially his size or almost his size, who dropped him. Egis needed a gift to get past Abreu and drew vs Ray Robinson so he could easily have been 1-3 in his last 3 heading into the Crawford fight, went life and death vs Zewski in his next fight in a razor-close affair prior to stopping him, then got stopped by Ortiz in his next fight
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    A shot to bits Brook who is yet another of the long line of post-major surgery cripples has fought, who had suffered orbital fractures to both eyes and had to undergo gruesome surgery to repair them and severe depression due to being informed one more punch could've blinded him and that his career was over. Brook should have a L to journeyman Carson Jones (RIP) and has only beaten Porter and a shot Khan

    Porter who was coming off double hip replacement surgery and never fought again, a Porter who should have an L to blown up 135 Julio Diaz, lost to Brook, Thurman, and PBC hype job Spence

    Euro level Avanesyan who he stiff-armed all night, got rocked a bit by, and he knocked out with dodgy gloves which had big tears in them

    Glass-jawed PBC hype job Spence who forged a career cleaning out 147 of all its 140s and 135 Mikey, beating leprechauns and featherfists with sub KO 40-50% sans a couple and one of those who had a good KO% was135 Mikey whose KO% above 135 vs 140 and 147 fighters = KO 0%.

    Spence, like Crawford, has barely fought any KO artists or legit bangers his size and it was by design. He's only fought 2 career 147 world champs in his entire career and he struggled badly vs both. He only defended his belt vs 1 career 147 world champ once during his 6 year reign

    And even worse, Crawford fought a post-car crash Spence who landed on his face at 90mph

    Cripple Crusher Crawford strikes again

    11 fight novice Madrimov who was making a massive leap up in class, had never fought a prime top 10 opponent, and fought him on a stacked deck of a home ref, 2 home judges, 1 neutral even thought he was the champ not Mr Privilege have gloves won't travel Crawford ands Madrimov won that fight and unquestionably would've won the rematch with that experience under his belt.

    Hence why Crawford never even entertained the notion of giving him a rematch, unlike Usyk did vs way bigger big and murderous punchers AJ, Belly and Dubois and he fought 2 in their backyard and would've fought all 3 in their backyards had Belly not ducked fighting him in England.

    Crawford would never dare face anyone who held anywhere near those kind of physical advantages over him and he told us that himself, let alone in their backyards and he wouldn't dare face Madrimov in his backyard either, let alone with the ref and 2 judges from Uzbekistan, 1 neutral judge and every single one of you knows that for a fact too

    And then he fought the very stylistically favourable match up for him in Clenelo because he knew he was about the same size as him (his own words), because he knew he had a big reach advantage, that Clenelo is washed and had been on a4 year KO drought despite cherrypicking like crazy, and that even in his prime Clenelo could not deal with that style to save his life. Clenelo looked like crap vs Scull and many of those cherrypicks he couldn't get out of there have subsequently been KO'd or stopped by MWs, Euro levels, padded record hype jobs, and featherfists

    Clenelo isn't even a hungry fighter anymore he's just going through the motions. He didn't even seen to be bothered about losing to Crawford, whereas, conversely, the prime hungry Clenelo was devastated by his losses to Floyd and Bivol.

    Clenelo has a million miles on his clock, is the richest active boxer in the world, has had almost 70 fights and is clearly well past his prime both physically and mentally. Crawford was just in the right place at the right time and all he had to do was a little bit better than C level Scull and implement a simple game plan boxing in a style Clenelo has zero answers for and always struggled badly against

    And this has all be achieved on a deck stacked or heavily stacked in Crawford's favour or once or twice and even one, only once against him, with 41 of his 42 fights at home and never having once been at a reach disadvantage or having ever beaten anyone much bigger than him.

    He is only prepared to fight opponents he's much bigger than, bigger, roughly his size or a little bit bigger. The notion of giving away near the amount of weight, reach and size Usyk routinely has been doing is considered far to big a risk by him and he told us that himself

    His resume is trash for a 42 fight vet P4P star five weight champ

    Broner is a four weight champ, not undisputed, but still a four weight champ. Crawford has a better resume than him for sure but when you're having to boast about Ricky Burns and Postol being some of your very best wins and being elite opponents you've fought when your resume is questioned after 41 fights what the hell does that say about its quality and depth?

    Four weight champ and the first names you cite to prove your greatness are Ricky Burns and Postol?

    Nothing more needs to be said Crawford' own words say it all and spell out in bold how weak his resume is and that's without context even being applied to those fights and many other. Burns should've been 0-2 in his last 2 going into that fight if not for corruption and extreme good fortune

    Crawford: ''Ricky Burns was elite. Postol was elite''

    Clenelo: ''Whoo?! Whoose dat guy? :facepalm:

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    Serge destroys
     
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  11. Banana-Rama

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    Crawford's resume is genuinely terrible for someone being held up as an ATG and it's his own fault too, he was hiding out down in the lower weights when there were lots of big fights he could have pursued. But I suppose it paid off for him because he's succeeded in pulling the wool over the eyes of most people. Cherry picked the perfect moment to fight a badly faded Canelo, and he tried to do the same thing with Pacquiao too. How old was Pacquiao when Crawford wanted to fight him, 41/42 years old? :ohno
     
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  12. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Beating the worst crop of HW's since ever, even having top wins over HW's with their own weak AF resumes is what gets you #1 P4P!
     
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  13. h8me

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    Usyk loses a lot of weight during training camp. For example, he was supposed to come in heavier for the Dubois rematch, but he didn’t manage to.
     
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  14. JusABoxinFan

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    There's sooooo many lies and false facts spilled in this post, I honestly can't do nothing but laugh at the passionate hatred you have for a man who doesn't even know you exist. The fact you would do so much to twist reality.........you really want people to hate Crawford as much as you do....... That is the energy of an ex girlfriend who was ditched before prom.....lol.
     
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  15. Lonsdale81

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    P4P is fiction. HWs are King.