Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Sep 15, 2025 at 10:37 PM.


  1. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    P4P is pretty meaningless. If I meet someone who applies the "criteria" consistently and without favoritism, that'll be a first
     
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  2. Homericlegend03

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    P4P is basically explaining why your favorite elite level fighter is actually the best, its important but its also very childish to some degree
     
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  3. Homericlegend03

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    The doesn't travel thing is particularly weird to me because, most boxers don't! Like it presented as some big mark against Terence when its just the norm especially for an American because all the fights Terence would want in the divisions he fought would be in America, because America is the mecca of boxing. Errol was American so he fought in him in America.
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No there isn't and just because my whole life existence online isn't dedicated to deep-throating him and spending every waking moment crying and getting all bent out of shape about others criticizing him and his weak resume like you do, Bomac, which despite the claims to the contrary from his fanboys is weak and is a very valid criticism as are many others I have voiced my opinion on doesn't mean I hate him. I don't even dislike him, let alone hate him. I think he's an exceptional fighter, one of the very best and most skilful in the game and of this era, I've always ranked him very highly despite his weak resume, stacked deck, and he's enjoyable to watch the vast majority of the time, isn't dirty or an octopus, and is a good dude.

    Not only don't I ''hate'' or dislike him but I actually like him. I don't care if you believe me or not but its the truth. It's some of his fans I have an issue with and for the reasons I have laid out in great detail I simply do not believe he's better than Usyk or deserves to be ranked above him and I make an extremely compelling case for that

    And my posts were in response to the newbie alt's trashing of Usyk and his resume. We can all play that game and I just did
     
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  5. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk fans are the new Tyson fans

    Usyk still > Crawford though
     
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  6. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    And he also ignored the fact that Crawford went out of his home country just to get his first world title. From that point on, he had positioned himself to be the A side most times. As you pointed out, the other big fights, they were either American as well or fought mostly in America (Canelo fights in Vegas)
     
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  7. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    You don't have to write another passage in response to be, I already told you I'm laughing at you so anything you have to say is just more comedy. I'm not going to read any more. You've exposed your ignorant passion already. Starting a thread to discredit a guy because they are getting praise for what is actually one of the greatest accomplishments in the sport, especially recently. And you wrote 3 long novels in the thread before anyone else was even able to respond to you........ I'm good....... Just ignore me and talk to the next person. There's nothing you and I will accomplish by exchanging views and opinions.
     
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  8. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The marvels of the anti-Crawford parallel universe keep getting better.

    After the plain idiocy about a 38 year old career 147 pounder cherry-picking the 35 year old undisputed 168lbs champion, a new chapter has opened: Now he's at fault for not inventing a time machine to pursue a younger Pacquaio. (A fight which was first discussed in 2015 I might add)

    But keep going, I'm curious what else you'll pull out of your ass.
     
  9. Banana-Rama

    Banana-Rama Active Member Full Member

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    He could have pursued a younger Pacquiao, he chose not to. Just like he chose not to pursue a younger Canelo, GGG, I can go on...

    “I was stronger, I punched harder and that was just it,” Crawford said. “A lot of people put too much into me moving up in weight and things like that. But like I told y’all once before, Canelo is not a big guy [5-foot-7½]. He’s a smaller guy fighting in a big weight class. Me and him is practically almost the same height. I’m a little taller [5-8]. My arms [are] longer.
    “He got a little wider frame, but he’s a little shorter. But all in all, we’re around the same size. So, by y’all saying, ‘Oh, Canelo’s this massive size,' it was disrespect. Then, when y’all seen me weigh in, then y’all say, ‘Oh, well, they about the same.' It’s not a big difference.''

    You're gonna keep on pretending Canelo is the much bigger guy, even though his trainer and himself are telling you otherwise.
     
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  10. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lie. Crawford/Pacquaio fight was first discussed in 2015, confirmed by both of their promoter Arum. I wrote this in my previous post, though your inability to comprehend with this adds up with the rest of your post.

    Trolling, garbage. By the time Crawford competed the unification at his 3rd weight-class, GGG was retired and Canelo was 3 weight classes north of him. You can troll about weights all you want, these are facts.

    He said, she said, they said. Fact: Canelo is a 35 year old guy who's been fighting at 168-175lbs for half a decade, Crawford is a 38 year old who spend majority of his career at 140/147 and had 1 fight at 154, 0 at 160, 0 at 168.

    Weight classes are there for a reason, fighters spend years finding the optimal weight class for them for a reason, you barely see a fighter jump up weight classes to have instant success in the 150 year history of the sport for a reason, fighters try to acclimate to move to a new division for a reason.

    Jermell Charlo was the undisputed 154lb champion. He's bigger and younger than Crawford. How did it work out for him when he jumped up to 168 to challenge Canelo?

    It's okay to believe that Crawford is as big as Canelo, we can agree to disagree. But, I'm sorry for the hominem, You have to be a moron of the highest order to claim what Bud did was "cherry-picking".
     
  11. Banana-Rama

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    There's no reason he couldn't have started his career in a higher weight class, he had no need to be down at lightweight and light welter beating up much smaller men, but he chose to take the easier route instead of fighting men his own size, that was a choice not a necessity.

    Crawford telling us he's the same size as Canelo, and his trainer telling us he should have been at 168 years ago is ''he said she said'' is it, hilarious.
     
  12. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Be careful man, you're opening a hater door there. Now some idiot might show up and tell us that Usyk could've started at HW to pursue Wladimir Klitschko instead of "cherry-picking" the cruiserweights. And make no mistake, I would call them idiots too if someone tried to make that "argument".
     
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  13. Banana-Rama

    Banana-Rama Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, Usyk starting at cruiserweight against men the same size as him is totally comparable to Crawford starting all the way down at lightweight against much smaller men than him.
     
  14. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, you might be opening my eyes now. Looking back at it:

    Thomas Hearns is a guy who won a cruiserweight title when the division was new. I always thought he was an ATG, as it turns out he was a cherry-picker picking on smaller men like Sugar Ray at welterweight when he should've been going after Michael Spinks.

    James Toney was one of my favourites. Turns out he was just a bully, hiding out at MW when he should've been at HW duking it out with the likes of Holyfield and Lewis all along as he did later in his career.

    And don't even get me started on the man called Manny Pacquiao, who most of us thought was one of the greatests of all time. ****ing fraud, won titles all the way up to jr MW. yet he shamelesly started out by beating up flyweights.

    Thanks man, now I have a much better perspective on the history of sweet science.
     
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  15. Banana-Rama

    Banana-Rama Active Member Full Member

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    Not at all comparable to Crawford, those guys were fighting against legitimate ATG's, they fought much better competition than Crawford did. This is going around in circles now so i'll leave it there.