Is Usyk h2h #1 above Lewis, Vitali, Holmes, Wladimir, Ali ?

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Is Usyk the h2h goat ?

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  1. Yes, all the other heavyweights have overrated skillset

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  2. No

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  1. catchwtboxing

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    Usyk is a defensive fighter. He gives ground intentionally.

    This was not a tough fight except for British judges.
     
  2. Man_Machine

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    You should probably take this up with Oleksandr himself then, since he's the one saying it was a tough fight.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was asked who was the toughest fight out of all his fights and listed both Chisora and Fury. You are both right. They had to have been in the same ballpark of difficulty for Usyk
    https://talksport.com/boxing/1719975/tyson-fury-world-champion-knockdown-leaves-camp-oleksandr-usyk/

    https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing...he-three-toughest-boxing-fights-of-his-career

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  4. catchwtboxing

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    It was a good fight, but not as close as two of the judges had it, and not nearly according to myth, He outlanded Chisora in 9 rounds, with one being even, and staggered him at least twice. He said that Chisora hit him the hardest, and that may very well be true. But except for British judging, it was a very clean win.
     
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    Tough in the sense that Chisora hit him the hardest. Chisora in no world except Britain won five rounds. Go back and watch the fight again with corrective lenses if you believe so.
     
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

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    They didn't ask which fighters, they said "which fight was the toughest" Chisora landed a lot of punches, walked him down and tried his best to ragdoll Usyk in an undersized ring with limited success. It isn’t far fetched that Usyk saw the Chisora fight as a very difficult one despite winning clearly
     
  7. catchwtboxing

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    1. He clarified in other interviews that it was because he hit the hardest
    2. Chisora did not land nearly what Usyk landed.
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

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    This was a separate interview with an obvious question. Fury and Chisora both came to his mind when discussing the toughest (singular) fight out of all of his fights. It was supposed to be 1 mention and he mentioned both. Many people think Chisora won 4 rounds and gave Usyk problems, some had him winning 5, of course i disagree but Usyk did not have his way with Chisora and was getting roughed up. Even Bellews name was brought up in this same interview and he was winning rounds off Usyk and landing plenty of shots. All 3 of them gave Usyk a tough fight, even Usyk believes said it
     
  9. catchwtboxing

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    Yes, and there is your clarification. Chisora was outlanded in 9 rounds, staggered 2-3 times...so no, not a particularly close fight except for British judging.

    It wasn't Brieidis.
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

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    We all have our opinions, I thought Briedis and Fury were harder fights but Usyk said Chisora was a tough fight when asked and stylistically Usyk seems to be more vulnerable when he's put under pressure like in the Briedis fight. You can argue even aj gave Usyk a harder fight in their rematch but clearly Usyk doesn't think so

    Usyk clarifying that it was the first Fury fight that was the toughest means he understood the question clearly and still mentions Chisora in this same interview right before he mentions Fury. Usyk clearly thinks Chisora was a very hard fight, even if we think Briedis and Fury gave him more work. Styles make fights
     
  11. Man_Machine

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    You initially tried to deny that Chisora walked Usyk down by stating "No such thing... ...happened". Then you referred to him as a defensive fighter who gives ground intentionally (which actually means that Usyk was consciously retreating from Chisora's forward marches).

    Now it seems that the Usyk Fan doth protest too much...

    Why are you preoccupied with the idea of the fight being 'mythically' close and the 'cleanliness' of the win? Neither of these relates to observations made by me. Either way, you know as well as I do that fights are not scored using punch stats. Likewise, the visible effect of punches in one or two rounds means something to the rounds in which these incidents occurred, but does not factor into the overall scoring of the bout.


    The one thing I like about Mr Usyk is his straightforward honesty. For this reason, I am happy to take him at his word.

    ***Shockingly, in an interview with talkSPORT Boxing, Oleksandr Usyk revealed that Derek Chisora, not Fury or Joshua, was his toughest opponent. “I think it is Derek. My friend Derek. Hey, Derek, I am coming for you!” Usyk joked before adding, “Derek is a terrible guy, really tough. It’s just hard [fighting] Derek. He was just very difficult.”***

    Source: https://bolavip.com/en/boxing/not-t...s-boxing-fans-by-naming-his-toughest-opponent


    Not that it matters particularly whether it's Chisora or Fury, the fact Chisora's name has been brought up in relation to him being a tough fight is fairly obvious. I don't think there can be much else said in the light of this evidence. It's pretty clear-cut. And Usyk is not saying anything greatly different in 2025 than he was back in 2020.
     
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  12. catchwtboxing

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    You failed in the first sentence. Fighting defensively is not the same thing as being walked down.

    As for the nonsense about Chisora being the toughest opponent, he simply isn't. By no metric was that his toughest fight. Sure Usyk may have said it...he has also said Fury and Brieidis at different times. He is a very gracious man and a friend of Chisora's, now.
     
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    He cannot be considered more vulnerable when he outlanded Chisora in nine rounds and staggered him twice. Please look up the definition of what "vulnerable" means.
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    What was he outlanding Chisora with ? Hard Power shots capable of hurting Chisora or pitty patty jabs while backing away all night ?

    He called Chisora his toughest fight along side the first Fury fight. Chisora took it to him and had more success than joshua and Dubois.
     
  15. catchwtboxing

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    He visibly staggered Chisora at least twice, so...
     
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