Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Sep 15, 2025.


  1. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,838
    6,362
    May 2, 2015
    I don't agree that Fury almost won, and the punch that temporarily sent him to his paradise was being set up for several rounds before.

    Thankfully, for those who tought Fury almost won, we had the rematch and Usyk proved without the shadow of a doubt who the better fighter was.
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    27,176
    18,188
    Apr 3, 2012
    Usyk won by a single point. If Fury had kept fighting instead of sleepwalking once he’d taken control of the fight, he would’ve left with his title.
     
  3. Cyrion

    Cyrion Member Full Member

    124
    297
    Jul 29, 2025
    No, I don't think Usyk was bullying anyone at Cruiserweight. This is a dude who started his ammy career at Middleweight. If someone knows where to find what he weighed in at during the WSB I'd love to see it, but I doubt he was much over 200. As for his Cruiserweight run, let's check the numbers.

    Bellew: 6'3 74" reach
    Gassiev: 6'2.5 76" reach
    Briedis: 6'1 75" reach
    Huck: 6'2 77" reach
    Hunter: 6'2 79" reach
    Mchunu: 5'10 72.5" reach (the one true outlier here)
    Glowacki: 6' 75" reach

    And I suppose you can say he's lying, but Usyk has stated on multiple occasions how he has to eat like crazy to stay around 220 and how much he hates it. He's a naturally lean guy. It's only been in his past couple of fights at HW that he's looked like he's fully filled in and become a true HW.


    Now, let's compare that to Crawford. Not going to do every fight, obviously, but we'll hit the big ones! Remembering that Crawford is 5'9 with a whopping 78" reach.

    Burns: 5'10 70" reach
    Gamboa: 5'5 65" reach
    Postol: 5'11 71" reach
    Indongo: 5'10.5 71.5" reach
    Horn: 5'9 68" reach
    Benevidez: 5'10.5 71" reach
    Khan: 5'8.5 71" reach
    Brook: 5'9 69" reach
    Porter: 5'7 69.5" reach
    Spence: 5'9.5 71" reach
    Madrimov: 5'8.5 68.5" reach
    Canelo: 5'7.5 70.5" reach

    Bud has a giant ape (no racist) frame for his height. He himself talk about walking around at 180 and not being super fat or flabby. He looked ripped and muscular in his fight with Canelo at 168. It's obvious he could have been fighting at 154 or 160. Except he wouldn't have had those reach advantages and would have started giving up some decent height to his opponents. Therefore, nuh-uh. Not gonna do it when he can just cut more weight and bully. Look at some of those disparities! He's got almost 10 inches of reach advantage over guys like Porter and Brook. He DOES have 10 inches over dudes like Gamboa and Burns. The rest of them struggle to get within 7 inches of him. For context, a seven inch reach advantage is what Fury, the longest reach guy in the sport and an ape himself, had over Usyk!

    Again, I'm just pointing out that Bud beating Canelo at 168 isn't some one-in-a-lifetime feat because he mOvED uP tHRee WeIGhT ClAssEs!!! Terence has always had the advantages when hes stepped in the ring. He's also a house cat. Dude fought away from home one time in his career against a guy who in his previous fight only six months previously had been knocked down and had his jaw broken.

    Is he an amazing fighter? Obviously. Should he get his plaudits especially having been put on the back burner by Top Rank? Absolutely. Is he P4P better than Usyk with better wins? Not a chance in hell. Bud has been knocked down, Usyk hasn't even though he's faced bigger competition. Bud won one title on away turf, Usyk has won EVERY TITLE on away turf. Bud never stepped into the ring with someone truly bigger than him in his entire career, Usyk wiped out the top of the HW division TWICE while giving up height, weight, and reach in each contest. The only thing Bud has over Usyk is an extra weight class of being Undisputed. And lets not kid ourselves. That's only because Usyk has nowhere else to go. And because Bud saw an old, slow, on cruise control Canelo to go steal some belts off of. A guy who flat out ducked the best dude at 168 to keep those belts, too. And we know Bud isn't going to fight anyone else at 168 to prove his chops there.
     
    Ph33rknot likes this.
  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,321
    17,299
    Jan 13, 2021
    Did you actually compare their opponents size ? Usyks opponents at cruiserweight are no smaller dimension wise than Buds opposition at 147 and below relative to Usyk. He had a height and reach advantage in almost every fight at cruiserweight. Its also hilarious that you discredit Crawford just because he has a long reach for his height. Sure he cuts down, so does everyone else below heavyweight. Literally everyone cuts weight in todays age. Mayweather had even longer arms than Crawford yet he was never accused of weight bully at 130.

    You make it out like Fury and Joshua can only be beaten by an exceptional atg fighter who is smaller yet we know Fury went life and death with featherfisted Cunningham. Cunningham has no power and was 210 pounds in that ring, had never fought at heavyweight prior was was still winning rounds and putting Fury on his ass. He isn't invincible to cruiserweights. He doesn't even have a record of dominating cruiserweights. The super heavyweights are overrated off actual evidence and you will not change my mind. Diminishing returns is a real mathmatical phenomenon and weight becomes less relevant the bigger you get because the value of the pound contributes diminishes the bigger someone is because of percentages. Good on Usyk for beating Fury, Joshua, Dubois, but joshua is overrated as hell. Fury was just as past it as Canelo and has less than half the resume. Canelo also has an iron chin unlike Fury or Joshua and knocked down and knocked out way bigger guys than Bud so many of the Crawford detractors claiming he weight bullies and relys on his size and power to bail him out were completely proven wrong
     
    Homericlegend03 likes this.
  5. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

    27,828
    29,699
    Sep 19, 2012
    A lot of people thought that Madrimov beat Crawford you left that close fight out lad. Why would anybody want to see Usyk get robbed? So you are changing your mind now to help your argument? You are saying Crawford does have a better resume than Usyk :lol:
    It seems to me that a lot of American fans will say anything to have their man rated above Usyk.

    From what I have seen with my eyes I truely believe that Usyk is the GOAT but I totally understand if people don’t agree as boxing is subjective.
     
    CST80 likes this.
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,321
    17,299
    Jan 13, 2021
    Anyone who thought Madrimov beat Crawford are as clueless as the ones who thought Briedis beat Usyk. Yes, Canelo trumps Fury and knocking an undefeated Spence out without losing any rounds is equal to Usyk beating joshua. I will never submit the opinion, joshua and Fury are overrated. If 210 pound Cunningham won rounds off Fury and hurt him multiple times it should've been expected that Usyk could do better. The super Heavyweights being far superior to world class cruiserweights is a complete myth
     
    Homericlegend03 likes this.
  7. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

    27,828
    29,699
    Sep 19, 2012
    I thought Crawford beat Madrimov but it was a close fight so you were wrong about Crawford not having any close fights just admit it lad. Going all the way back to the Cunningham fight is really reaching lad. Not all fighters are perfect every fight Fury still found a way to win. Some of you American’s don’t get that fighting on the road especially the first time can create nerves that are not normally there. It’s like seeing things in black and white without context. Boxing doesn’t work like that and as a long time fan surely you know this?

    AJ was more dangerous than Spence and Usyk beat him in London. Also most people scored the first round for Spence against Crawford so once again you are exaggerating to suit your narrative. Also where did I say that heavyweights were far superior to cruiserweights? My point is Usyk was undisputed in two very dangerous divisions. All the divisions Crawford unified in were no where near the level of talent that Usyk unified in.
     
    CST80 likes this.
  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,321
    17,299
    Jan 13, 2021
    Going back to the Cunningham fight ? That was literally 2 years before Fury beat Klitschko which was his best win. Complete nonesense. You say Canelo and Spence were past it, so was Fury. Cunningham was literally PILLOWFISTED and still dropped Fury and took rounds off him, plenty had him ahead untik the stoppage. Joshua got his ass beat by an out of shape unranked contender and Spence was coming off 2 dominant victories and a stoppage against a champion. Usyk couldn't drop aj once and many people claim the aj fight was close until the championship rounds.

    It's completely false. The talent pool in regards to world class talent is objectively higher in smaller weight classes for a majority of the time just because of population.
     
    Homericlegend03 likes this.
  9. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

    27,828
    29,699
    Sep 19, 2012
    Once again ignoring key points about being the away fighter. You ever think maybe Fury learned from the Cunningham fight and got better?
    Most were saying Spence was dead at the weight and even looked cooked on his ring walk. Now Usyk should’ve dropped AJ? LOL you are hilarious lad.
     
    CST80 likes this.
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,321
    17,299
    Jan 13, 2021
    How relevant is it for such a factor to tilt this in Usyks favor ? Almost no judges have ever scored an Usyk fight erroneously when he's has multiple competitive fights. Crawford fought in Scottland for Ricky Burns but nobody cares because he smashed Burns. You speculate Fury got significantly better but Fury years later post Wilder still claimed Cunningham was his hardest fight precisely because he was small and slippery.

    Fury and Joshua have 0 record of dominating world class cruiserweights and have actually struggled with them on multiple occasions, add to the fact guys like Chisora and Whyte have gotten knocked out by cruiser sized opposition makes you question how dominant the super heavyweights are when faced with a decently skilled cruiserweight. Joseph Parker couldn't get Massey out of there and even got rocked but Opetaia washed him inside the distance. Go ahead and explain that if super heavyweights are so difficult to deal with by an elite smaller man. Even Wilder weighed about 212 when he dropped Fury twice and his resume is garbage. Dismissing Spence is nothing but excuses, he looked the same as every single weigh in and came off 2 dominant victories post car crash.
     
    Homericlegend03 likes this.
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

    248,935
    246,570
    Nov 23, 2013
    Chisora has been KO'd 4 times, twice by Fury, once by Whyte and once by David Haye. Haye was 2 inches taller with a 4 inch reach advantage, with a 92% KO ratio. Pre-ruptured Achilles tendon, the only two guys that he couldn't KO were Ismail Abdoul and Valuev, who had the definition of iron chins, and he rocked Valuev to his core. He couldn't lay a glove on Wlad, so it doesn't really count.

    Now, which Cruiserweight KO'd Whyte?o_O Last time I checked, Fury, AJ, Povetkin and Itauma were full fledged Heavies.
     
    MidniteProwler likes this.
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,321
    17,299
    Jan 13, 2021
    Povetkin wasn't much bigger than Usyk, 6'2 with a 75 inch reach, only fights one way, 41 years old nearly shot to pieces when he put Whyte to sleep.

    The better question is, what proven cruiserweights have these guys dominated ? That will emphasize how historically difficult of a task is it to beat these guys and we know it's difficult because Holyfield is the only one who's unified both divisions, but Holyfield isn't considered to be a top 5 heavyweight candidate, yet Usyk is the GOAT ? Really ?

    I've always been of the opinion that cruiserweights are heavyweights in disguise. You've been claiming on this site for years that the cruiserweight division is better than the heavyweight division, your own words. Fury doesn’t have Wladimirs track record, he wasn't even beating up cruiserweights like Bowe was and he's certainly not a power puncher.
     
  13. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,838
    1,779
    Nov 23, 2014
    Huck never at any point established himself as the best cruiserweight in the world. His losses are considerably worse than Canelo's and he doesn't have comparable wins
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

    248,935
    246,570
    Nov 23, 2013
    Oh **** off with your illogical and desperate grasping at straws! Povetkin is a career Heavyweight who hasn't come in under 219 since 2006. 200 is the cutoff for Cruiser.

    Of course I've been saying Cruiserweight was the better division, because all around, it was. Never did I say all of them could move up to Heavyweight successfully. Fury has never been a power puncher, but he's not all that easy to beat now is he? Still, beating Fury twice in the eyes of any rational person, is a more impressive accomplishment that shading a fight against a shot Canelo.
     
    MidniteProwler likes this.
  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

    248,935
    246,570
    Nov 23, 2013
    When did Canelo establish himself as the best Super Middleweight? He never fought Benavidez. As WBO CW champ from 2009 to 2015, his wins over Lebedev (I know it was controversial), Afolabi, Ramirez, Arslan and Larghetti were all solid, and the win he was robbed of against Povetkin the most impressive of all. They certainly stack up well against the likes of Plant, Smith, Munguia, Charlo, Saunders and Ryder. Regardless, the comparison was tongue in cheek, hence the reference to his ton of questionable decisions, just like Canelo.
     
    MidniteProwler and Cyrion like this.