Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Povetkin was 41 years old 224 pounds when he knocked Whyte out bro. And I disagree, under that viewpoint Fury has to be far more overrated than Canelo. Dude got beat up by an mma fighter, had a competitive trilogy with a 1 trick pony in Wilder and cherrypicked even more than Canelo !! Fury is an elite fighter we agree on that, but he is not an all time great, he was just as over the hill as Canelo was and his resume is much worse
     
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  2. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He lost to Cunningham and never faced Drozd, Hernandez, Haye, etc. Not fighting Benavidez is hardly comparable to missing all these guys.

    Canelo's controversial decisions were early in his career post Lara there hasn't been any controversy except Golovkin for more than a decade
     
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  3. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    What dolts like that conveniently leave out is the cruiser weight tourney he won… was the most stacked in history. And he’s recently been doing what he has well out of his physical prime!
     
  4. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Damn straight he is!! All this nonstop overhyping ‘bud’ has gotten the past two weeks is laughable. He beat a guy that turned out to be more his size naturally… OK. Congrats! And how many times has Canelo already been beat again??? Both official and unofficial??? I lost count. All I know is Bivol beat him more soundly and in a more impressive fashion and Triple G beat the absolute best version and the peak of Clenelo’s tainted beef powers.

    Usyk is still #1. Of course he’d never say it. He’s got too much class.
     
  5. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm hardly here bro

    Do not remember, do not see why I got a note, was taken to a post quoting some other jabroni.


    TC #1
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yes, and? That's not a Cruiserweight, that's a Heavyweight by 24 whole pounds. I'm well aware, I predicted Povetkin would win, and by an uppercut KO. Beat up is a little melodramatic isn't it? He suffered a flash knockdown and was out-hustled by a punch or two in a few rounds of a close fight. Glad we can agree he's an elite fighter, who we all knows fights to the level of is competition, he has a long history of it. Whereas Canelo has been phoning in against subpar competition, since the Bivol match. Even GGG showed up for a paycheck. Canelo is the definition of checked out at this point.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It was a loose comparison, regardless, I was referring to the version of Huck that Usyk fought and the version of Canelo that Crawford fought, were roughly on the same level.
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's 1 or 2 pounds heavier than what Usyk weighs against these guys. Usyk was always over 200 pounds in the ring in both divisions and fought at shws in the amateurs.

    It was an mma fighter, A 37 year old one on his debut I might add. Saying he has a "long history" of fighting to the level of competition is just a cheap tool to literally ignore every single bad performance in his career. He didn't fight to the level of most of his lower level opponents, Fury loves beating on outmatched opponents even more than Canelo. Almost every elite fighter in history has bad performances and that affects legacy and status no matter how you want to look at it. Wilder is Furys best win post Klitschko who was older than Kovalev and that Klitschko fight was 9 years prior to the Usyk fights and right after Fury retired for 2 years and did drugs and alcohol, gaining over 100 pounds of fat. He was already past his prime in his comeback, was just as old as Canelo and smashing Wilder will never convince me otherwise. Wilder is a one trick pony with trash fundamentals, bad balance and a very thin resume. Wilder knocked out Helanius in a single round while aj took 7 rounds, so Wilder wasn't shot when he got beat down by Parker and Zhang. Canelo unified 168 and has a good win against Saunders, fought more mandatories and ranked guys, beat the likes of old Kovalev who was still a champion, Daniel Jacobs, Munguia who is no worse than someone like Parker and Ryder who is no worse than Chisora. Callum Smith was a top contender level, a past it Cotto, Khan, Trout, all contender level fighters at least and many thought he was the rightful winner in the second GGG fight.

    His resume is just better than Tyson Furys. Moving up 2 weight classes and beating a past it Canelo is better than beating a past it Fury. Also, notice how he fought Ngannou, forget that he struggled, he FOUGHT Ngannou. Fury is a bigger cherrypicker than Canelo, why are you ignoring this like it means nothing. He almost had a cherrypick gone wrong against Otto Wallin. Beat up a bum in Tom Schwarz and Pianeta instead of fighting an actual contender. Fought an old Chisora he already beat twice instead of an actual contender and his mandatory Whyte was already done at the contender level and just got obliterated by Itauma.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How do you work that one out ?

    Huck was 2-2 in his last 4 fights and was coming off losing every round to Breidis.

    Canelo hadn't lost a fight since 2022 to Bivol and that was at Light Heavyweight against a great Light Heavyweight.

    Canelo was considered the number 1 Super Middleweight where as Huck was barely top 10 coming towards the end of his career and never won another notable fight after that.
     
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  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    It Canelo looking like **** against Berlanga wasn’t a huge red flag I don’t know wtf is. Also prime Canelo brutally beats the **** out of and stops Munguia. Even the Canelo who fought Angulo does this. Idk if Canelos downfall is because he changed his style to being predictable and lazy, or his age. Dude went from being extremely technical and James Toney like to being a more skilled Lemieux.
     
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  11. Lonsdale81

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    SMW is a wasteland. Two 5'8 former WWs (both the wrong side of 35) stinking the ring out in a borefest is SMW now is it? Is beating Huck better than Canelo? No. But the idea that this was some giant feat of weight slaying is BS.. Crawford is 180lbs. Has been for years.. & Canelos recent form is poor. I don't rate the win as high as some others do, its easy to see through it. Crawford has NEVER been significantly outweighed in ANY of his fights. There's the key difference in Usyk & Crawford.
     
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  12. Peter Hegseth

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    Dear Esteemed Members of the Boxing News 24 Fan Forum and Fellow Patriots,

    I am writing to you today as Pete Hegseth, a steadfast advocate for American excellence and resilience, to emphatically endorse Terence "Bud" Crawford as the preeminent pound-for-pound boxer in the world. In an era where true champions are forged through unyielding discipline and strategic mastery—much like the warriors who defend our nation's freedoms—Crawford stands unrivaled, embodying the pinnacle of athletic prowess and tactical brilliance. His recent triumphs not only redefine the boundaries of the sweet science but also inspire all who value perseverance and precision.

    Terence Crawford's professional record speaks volumes: an impeccable 42-0, with 31 knockouts, a testament to his devastating power and ring generalship. Hailing from Omaha, Nebraska—a heartland bastion of grit and determination—he has ascended from lightweight contender to undisputed champion across multiple divisions, a feat that underscores his adaptability and dominance. Crawford captured his first world title in 2014 by defeating Ricky Burns for the WBO lightweight crown, then methodically ruled the division before moving up to light welterweight, where he became the first male boxer in the four-belt era to claim undisputed honors.

    His welterweight reign further solidified his legacy, as he unified all four major titles in 2023 with a masterful stoppage of Errol Spence Jr., a victory that echoed through the annals of boxing history. But it is Crawford's audacious climb in weight that truly sets him apart. In 2024, he ventured to light middleweight and outpointed Israil Madrimov to secure champion status in yet another class. Then, on September 13, 2025, before a record-breaking crowd of 70,482 at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, Crawford delivered a career-defining unanimous decision over the formidable Saúl "Canelo" Álvarez, dethroning the undisputed super middleweight king and claiming titles across a fifth division—spanning from 135 to 168 pounds. This achievement marks him as one of only six male boxers in history to win world championships in five weight classes, and the first in the modern four-belt era to unify undisputed titles in three divisions: light welterweight, welterweight, and now super middleweight.

    What elevates Crawford beyond mere statistics is his pound-for-pound supremacy. As a switch-hitter with an uncanny ability to dictate the fight's tempo—whether pressuring with precision jabs or countering with knockout force—he has been recognized as the world's top P4P boxer by the Boxing Writers Association of America in multiple stints, including from October 2017 to May 2018, June 2022, and now, following his Alvarez masterclass, since September 2025. The Ring magazine has similarly crowned him No. 1 from July 2023 to May 2024 and again this month, overthrowing even the great Oleksandr Usyk in the rankings. In an age of specialization, Crawford's versatility—conquering elite opponents like Spence, Madrimov, and Álvarez across weight barriers—proves him the most complete fighter alive, a true American icon whose story of rising from humble beginnings to etch his name on boxing's Mount Rushmore demands universal acclaim.

    In closing, I urge you to affirm what the ring has already declared: Terence Crawford is unequivocally the best pound-for-pound boxer on the planet. His legacy is not just one of belts and victories, but of embodying the relentless spirit that drives our great nation forward. Let us honor this champion as he deserves.

    Sincerely,
    Pete Hegseth
    Veteran, Author, and Proud American
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I picked Crawford to win and kept saying the size difference was exaggerated so you don't need to convince me.

    Yes the Super Middleweight division isn't the strongest but objectively beating Canelo is considerably better than beating Huck.
     
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  14. bandeedo

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    give the man what is his.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk's 2 recorded ring weights at CW are 207lbs and 208lbs. 7lb and 8lbs respectively above the CW limit. Not 10lbs, 15lbs, 20lbs etc.

    Crawford has been rehydrating as much as 16-18lbs in every division he's fought in sans possibly 168 and we don't know how much he rehydrated at that weight because the weights weren't announced.

    But he clearly rehydrated a fair amount because he looked very noticeably bigger and filled out than he did when he stepped on the scales for the weigh in weighing a crazy lean 167.5lbs with very low body fat.

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    If you're looking as super lean as Crawford did on the scales for the official weigh in weighing in for his DEBUT in the sixth weight class from the one he started out at it tells you something

    You jump up 2-3 weight classes you're supposed to be much smaller than your opponent who has been up at SMW/LHW for the last six years

    But did Crawford even look smaller at all, let alone much smaller?

    No, he jumped up 2 divisions to fight someone in his own words ''his size,'' but with a much shorter reach who was on a four year KO drought vs cherrypicks

    So stop acting like he's some kind of a giant slayer

    Was he slaying giants when he weighed more than career 140 Postol at 140?

    More than career 147 Horn when he fought him at 147 in his DEBUT at that weight?

    More than career 154 Madrimov at 154 in his DEBUT at that weight?

    He weighed more in his 147 and 154 debuts than his career opponents did vs him

    Why did he weigh 0.2 ounces less for his DEBUT at 154 than career 160 GGG's very consistent fight night weight? He'd just come up from 147 and he's weighing the same in his first fight at 154 as what GGG was coming in at 160

    And he had 5-6'' reach advantages over both

    And he had a big reach advantage over Clenelo

    Listen to what Stephen ''Breadman'' Edwards says here

    ''Benavidez is not the type of fighter you want to move up against, because of his length, height, speed and work-rate. It’s a different fight than moving up to fight the shorter, slower Canelo Alvarez. Bud is able to hit Clenelo at a length Canelo can't hit him. Therefore Bud can fight at a pace he’s comfortable with and be very efficient with his output. With Benavidez he won’t have that luxury.''

    What did I tell you about Crawford's much longer reach being a bigger factor than Clenelo's supposed weight advantage?

    The big size disparity was a complete myth just as this notion that Crawford is beating bigger or much bigger guys as he ascended through the weights is a complete myth

    He's never looked remotely undersized in any division he's fought in

    He's very often been the much or bigger man and if not he's generally been fighting guys roughly his size in every weight class he's fought in
     
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