Do you consider Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua to be all time greats ?

What? Wlad took 2 years off, came back at 41 and had AJ down in a toe-to-toe slugfest, win aged incredibly for Fury.

 

How is losing to Joshua by stoppage a positive for Wlad? I'd say that loss has aged very badly

 

Losing to a 27 year old AJ at 41 after a two-year lay-off is nobody’s shame, especially when Wlad had him down and hurt badly multiple times. Name one other 40+ year old fighter that performed like that against someone anywhere near AJ’s level.

 

No chance. Better question is if they can sneak into the HoF.

 

41 vs 37 lmao

 

We aren't talking about a prime version though, Wlad was 39 against Fury and past prime. The Joshua loss suggest beating that version of Wlad isn't such a big deal.

Pacquiao over Thurman must be close

 

No lol

 

It also hurts because they never fought eachother when they were decent.

 

Explain.

 

AJ is just a modern version of Frank Bruno. I never rated AJ highly as he ducked Wilder and Fury when those 3 were considered the top guys of the division. I don't give much credit to scared fighters.

Fury on the other hand is definitely a HoF worthy fighter. I wouldn't say ATG but a solid HW champ for sure. Unfortunately for him a true ATG was also in his generation in Oleksandr Usyk.

 

As much as I don't like saying this because I am a huge fan of Usyk. I really don't rate either as ATG. Where do you draw the line? I've defended Joshua a lot over his career but nobody in their right mind would pick him to beat any other ATG Heavyweight in their primes, so why include him? Surely an ATG has to be somebody who debatetably could beat any other ATG. Fury also doesn't make the cut for me. He out points an ageing Wlad in one of the worst heavyweight title fights of all time. Then disappears from the ring for ages, comes back and beats Donkey the WBC Chump, sporadically takes tune up after delayed tune up and then loses twice clearly to a middleweight. ATG greats can have bad nights but name me any ATG in history who needs a GIFT decision v John McDermott!

 

Why I think he's above them?

Multitude of reasons. But ultimately think he's had a greater career

 

Which great boxer he beat so far?