Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They aren't though.

    Huck was no longer really relevant he was barely in the top 10 and had one foot out the door in regards to retirement.

    Canelo was a P4P top 10 fighter and considered the man to beat in his division.

    Bivol is rated higher than Briedis by a considerable margin Briedis won 5 world title fights compared to Bivol who has won 13 world title fights.

    Briedis is known more for his notable losses where as Bivol has the big wins over Canelo, Beterbiev.

    I never said the Super Middleweight division is a great division and i'm not debating Usyk hasn't beaten better names overall. I was just pointing out that a win over Canelo is a significantly better than a win over Huck, taking into account Huck was 2-2 in his last 4 fights where as Canelo hadn't lost in 3 years and was considered the best fighter at his weight.

    I agree Canelo hasn't looked that great in recent years i also picked Crawford to win based on that and due to the stylistic problem that Crawford brings. But Canelo has always had issues vs movers he has concrete feet and even Plant gave Canelo issues with his movement and Canelo was close to his prime then.

    Obviously Canelo isn't in his peak anymore but are we not taking into account Crawford is 38 years old aswell ? which is the same age as Usyk ? and i often see people here crediting Usyk for beating notable fighters in his late 30s so why does that not apply to Crawford aswell ?

    Overall Usyk has beaten better names but Crawford has more world title wins 2 wins over fighters who were ranked in the top 10 P4P not to mention he's undisputed in 4 weightclasses which is a great achievement.

    Is Crawford's resume really strong ? no. But in regards to his achievements he has enough of an argument for it not to be a slam dunk in Usyk's favour.
     
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  2. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Usyk a very solid #2 behind Crawford.
     
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  3. theanatolian

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    GGG from Canelo 3 was probably better than the absolute best version of Huck, same goes for Kovalev that Canelo beat. (Might actually beat a faded Huck H2H too)

    Different levels.
     
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  5. Serge

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    No man who lost to Joey Christjohn should theoretically be able to one punch iron out Lummox in HL reel fashion in his backyard but they did. As said, Christjohn was stopped x 7 in 19 fights in the amateurs alone. That's got to be some kind of record because I can't recall ever seeing anyone stopped that many times in the amateurs off the top of my head, let alone in just 19 fights.

    Theoretically, no man who couldn't crack Maskaev's glass jaw in 2 attempts and was HL reel KO'd by him x 2 should be able to one punch flatline a 15lb heavier Lummox but they did

    Theoretically, no man who took up sport aged 23 and lost to a 18-9 journeyman and fought to a draw vs a 7-9-2 journeyman 10 months prior to facing Lummox should be beating Lummox in many fan's eyes or holding him to a draw

    Notice how Lummox, just like he never did to Vitali who literally ran him out of the sport, never gave Mercer a rematch?

    You do realize that those 2 official losses and the unofficial one he suffered against Mercer, came against smaller or much smaller guys and they were all occurred in the midst of Lummox's prime?

    That would've been 3 official losses and 1 unofficial one had Lummox not tucked tail and ran from the Vitali rematch like a thief in the night after giving him his word he would do the honourable thing.

    Lummox is always going to be susceptible to being one punch ironed out at least once vs any big puncher if he fights them twice and unlike all the fighters who one punch ironed him out or who hold unofficial wins over him Ngannou was bigger than him not smaller or way smaller and he is known for being one of the most devastating power punchers in the history of combat sports. If he lands on that chin of Lummox's even you know Lummox ain't getting back up

    Lummox was a very dirty fighter, routinely so, and he was even when facing way smaller badly overmatched punching bag tomato cans. If he tried doing that to man mountain powerhouse Ngannou he would get rag-dolled

    Imagine what Ngannou would do to Lummox in the Octagon or on the street :risas3::risas3:
     
  6. Lonsdale81

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    Since beating Plant (who isn't anything great anyway) in 2021 lets look at Canelos opponents:

    -Lost to Bivol at LHW.

    -GGG 40 years old. A shot MW who had fought once in two years.

    -John Ryder another career MW. A Euro gatekeeper.

    -Jermell Charlo a career LMW. Had 5 fights in 5 years. Charlos are embarrassing.

    -Munguia a career LMW who just got starched by a no name & has no wins of any real significance.

    -Berlanga. Come on.. Berlanga is garbage.

    -Scull? Who? Dire resume, would make a great Andre Direll tribute act.

    What's so great? Canelo is a small MW masquerading as a SMW fighting other small MWs. Most of whom just like him have no decent run of form over anyone of note.. If that was a Euro fighters SMW resume hed be ridiculed on this forum. It makes Sven Otkes run look impressive..
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

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    Bivol is a great Light Heavyweight no shame in losing to him.

    Golovkin was older yes but Canelo still beat him clearly.

    Alot felt Ryder was robbed vs Callum Smith and he has a win over Daniel Jacobs so he was on a good run of form and the way Canelo destroyed him early was quite impressive.

    Munguia was undefeated and was coming off a FOTY candidate vs Derevyanchenko who is a very solid fighter who quite alot felt beat Golovkin. In hindsight the win looks worse due to Munguia's recent performances but at the time it was a solid win.

    Not a great resume no but its decent.

    But you can do this with anyone's resume.....

    What about Fury's recent run of form in the lead up to the Usyk fight ? He arguably lost to an MMA fighter and his last win against a top 10 ranked Heavyweight was in 2022.
     
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  8. Cojimar 1946

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    Ngannou has never won a pro fight. Seems a stretch to conclude Lewis losing to underdogs means he could lose to a guy making his pro debut. How is Lewis win over Mercer any more controversial than Fury's over Ngannou and McDermott?
     
  9. Serge

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    We know what happens to Lummox when he ''doesn't take his opponents seriously enough'' - he gets HL reel one punch ironed out by smaller or much smaller guys

    It's either ''not taking his opponent's seriously enough''

    Or

    The Lummox Rule

    We also know that Lummox never suffered from the discipline issues Belly does and he never turned up out of shape.

    This is an ''out of shape'' Lummox

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    If Lummox came in lackadaisical vs a 270lb + man mountain who can punch like this, flattening world champs, former champs, top 10 contenders, and even GOATs in mere seconds or a couple of minutes max, then he can surely find himself on the wrong end of another HL reel KO loss. It's not a big stretch at all

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    I never said it wasn't. Difference is Lummox who never suffered from the discipline issues and extra curricular out of the ring problems Belly does, and who always came in in shape, gets a free pass by many for his losses and it's attributed to him ''not taking his opponents seriously enough''

    Mercer lost to a 18-9 journeyman a few years earlier and drew vs a 7-9-2 journeyman 10 months prior to fighting Lummox but we're supposed to pretend that didn't happen

    Losing to a 18-9 journeyman and drawing against a 7-9-2 journeyman must be Mercer's level, right? :facepalm:
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

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    Journeymen still win fights and don't turn pro at 45. Ngannou would get utterly erased by Eric Molina and Jason Gavern ! #BUMCITY
     
  11. Serge

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    Yes, and 0-0-0 guys don't fight the #2 and #3 HWs in their 1st and 2nd fights

    But according to you clowns he beat Belly in his pro debut. I guess Molina and Gavern>>Belly, right?

    If Ngannou landed one flush right or left power punch on Lummox's jaw Lummox would get ''utterly erased.'' Even you know this
     
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  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ngannou has won 0 pro fights and got destroyed by joshua with no effort even the bum Lewis beat in his first pro fight would wreck Ngannou it is what it is. 45 year old mma fighters don't belong in the sport of boxing
     
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  13. Serge

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    AJ, who like Lummox, doesn't suffer from discipline issues and always turns up in great shape, knew what he was dealing with and actually took Ngannou seriously

    But Lummox would be fighting a 0-0-0 Ngannou who he'd never seen box before. Why would Lummox take a MMA fighter with a 0-0-0 boxing record seriously if he didn't 'allegedly' take McCall and Rahman seriously enough?

    Ngannou is one of the most devastating punchers in the history of combat sports and his striking is more unpredictable and unorthodox than a trained boxer, if he lands flush on Lummox he's sending him to the shadow realm

    Stipe Miocic was a former amateur boxer and Golden Gloves champion, arguably the MMA HW GOAT, and a very powerful puncher, so theoretically he should've knocked Ngannou out, right? But he didn't he got KTFO

    Can you explain to me how Lummox lost in many fan's eyes to a fighter who couldn't even beat a 7-9-2 journeyman 10 months earlier?
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That journeyman would absolutely destroy Ngannou inside 6 rounds. Look at how far you've fallen Serge, hyping up a middle aged mma fighter who didnt belong in boxing while disparaging an all time great like Lewis in order to prop up Fury. Fury sold out Serge, and his resume is overrated
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Even if that were true, and that journeyman's chin was 1000 x more sturdy than Lummox's and therefore the chances of him getting KO'd by Ngannou would be far less, Belly would box the ears off that journeyman so therefore Ngannou >> Belly >> Mercer >> Lummox

    You didn't answer the question though

    And Ngannou was 37 when he fought Belly and isn't even 40 now, let alone 45
     
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