Daniel Dubois vs Mike Tysons opposition pre prison

I like Dubois, but he is limited. A lot of those heavyweights on the night Tyson beat them would beat Dubois.

 

lol! Ruddock had far more power than AJ and Tucker was 6'5, had the same reach as AJ and a better chin, Bruno was as powerful as AJ and had a longer reach.

 

Is that why David Jaco beat Ruddock? What's Ruddock's best win? Dokes or Bonecrusher?

What's Bruno's best win, a UD over Oliver McCall?

 

I was mainly talking about their power specifically, Ruddock's left uppercut vs Dokes was sick.

 

No it isnt, Mayweather will never punch as hard as Tyson does regardless of his weight. Hearns is a great example of what Im saying, he was around the same weight as his 147/154 opponents but he was the hardest hitter by far, because he had a huge frame. Same with Wilder. He is light but a very big guy as far as body structure goes, much bigger than Shavers who already looked bully at 210 lbs.

Also Tyson had roids running in his veins.

 

True, that's the funny thing about Tyson's era. Sure, many of those guys were underachievers, had injuries, etc, but they all possessed some decent talent to a degree.

Dubois just wouldn't have what it takes to clear that line up. He showed a very questionable durability/longevity in his own era getting floored early multiple times, having lapses in defense, and not always making the best decisions. Dubois is strong and hits hard, but not to the extent his power would be able to bail him out against a guy like Thomas or Tucker if he fell behind on the scorecards.

 

You don't understand John, we're talking 2 1/2 MEP™ (Modern Era Pounds) that are fueled by MODERN processed food, chemicals, steroids, and highly evolved proteins.

There's an exchange rate for past era to current era conversion, similar to inflation. For every 15-20 years, you add 10 lbs. As a result, Wilder doesn't actually weigh 2.5 lbs more than Shavers. Since they're 40 years apart in eras, that means you need to add the weight difference (2.5) + 20. Thus Wilder weighs 22.5 lbs more than Shavers in reality since his lbs are of a higher, more evolved quality.

Let me know if I can clarify anything else for you.

 

Fury has been dropped so many times that flooring him isn't really much to brag about.
Cunningham dropped him and he wasn't a puncher even at cruiserweight.

 

To be serious though, muscle/fat distribution and height/reach matters as well. Heavyweights in general are taller or/and heavier now, hence why Usyk (a 6'2-6'3 225lb+ man) is considered "small". But even though Usyk is "the same size" as Ali, he's more muscular and "bigger" based on muscle composition. Ali was a bit pudgy at that weight and not as muscular.

Likewise Wilder has lower bodyfat than Shavers, but his legs are skinny.

Even during Ali's era you had guys like Buster Mathis (Mathis was 256 lb), but he was mostly lard.

 

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I'm probably missing something but i have no idea where this come from.

Hearns is one example of a tall lean guy having great power. I've already given other examples of tall lean guys not hitting hard. Being tall is not a prerequisite of having terrific power. Tyson sure hit ok, he looked flabby too.

Hearns was not "the hardest hitter by far". That is categorically untrue. Pipino Ceuvas was much shorter and had power of a similar nature. I'd also take a wild guess and opine no-one would agree he wasn't a far harder hitter than Julian Jackson. I could be wrong.

If you think Shavers being 210 pounds and you thinking him a bit chubby means he wasn't a terrifying puncher you'd be wrong.

There's never been any proof of that.

 

The point I’m trying to make is that you can’t use Wilder to argue Shavers being only 210 lbs won’t matter, because these two guys aren’t actually the same size, they are only the same weight. Wilder is much taller than Shavers, noticeably has a bigger body structure and he actually proved that he can flatten 250+ lbs actual SHWs in devastating fashion. Shavers was a pudgy 6’0 guy who was flattening guys in the 200 lbs range, with his KO rate over guys above 215 lbs being something like 48%. Wilder never even fought with a guy that small from what I remember.

 

Both Hearns and Wilder have the same kind of build: Wide clavicles and lats.
and skinnyish legs. You could say Gerry Cooney too, but he wasn't as wide.

 

There are short fat guys who hit hard. There are fat guys who can't score a KO with a bucket of KFC on the line.

There are shredded muscular guys who hit hard. And there are muscular guys who lack power.

There are tall skinny guys who hit hard. And there are tall skinny guys with feather fists.

There are guys who weighed under 200 lbs who were flattening 240+ lbs heavies in the old days. And there are 240+ lbs heavies who can't punch their way out of a paper bag even when facing smaller opponents.

The whole point is that suggesting Shavers doesn't hit as hard as modern guys because he was 210 is absurd because there were plenty of boxers of similar size and body type as Shavers who showed devastating power long before and long after Shavers fought.