Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got blown away in a round by a Daniel Dubois victim and scored 0 wins. Ngannou is not that guy serge
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He got blown away by the #2 or #3 HW who is a massive puncher who caught him flush with one of the best right hands he's ever thrown, 2 of them in fact.

    I never said he was but he's a 270lb + man mountain with absolutely devastating power and if he landed flush on Lummox, the chances of which would be even higher if Lummox didn't take him seriously and had never seen him box before, let alone if Lummox suffered from the same discipline issues Belly does, he would send Lummox to the shadow realm

    I've seen plenty of MMA fighters vs boxer fights and the MMA fighters have generally done surprisingly well.

    Apparently, TBE and the defensive GOAT in many people's eyes wanted to get caught by slick counters like this from a 0-0-0 boxing novice :lol:

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  3. SouthpawsRule

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    It must be really frustrating to be Ngannou, imagine getting ****-talked for your boxing performances at 38 when you can quite literally kill any boxer that ever walked the planet with your bare hands.
     
  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bit of a difference.

    Mayweather was 40 years old and hadn't fought in over 2 years.

    Fury was an active champion and was supposed to be the best Heavyweight in the world at that time.

    Lewis also wouldn't take a clown fight like the Ngannou fight especially when he was an active champion.

    Lewis sometimes did take a few fights not as seriously but he never got to the point like Fury where he looked obese in the ring with rolls of fat hanging down over his trunks.

    Also if Lewis did take the Ngannou fight which he wouldn't but let's say he did and he was in the modern era earning massive pay day with a big audience ? I would think Lewis would want to make a statement and blow away Ngannou.

    Yes anyone with a big punch is a threat but I wasn't that impressed with Ngannou's power vs Fury. To me it just showed how poor Fury looked the punch that floored him didn't even look like a hard punch Fury was just that bad that night.
     
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  5. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    In what scenario would he have a chance to do that? If it’s a street fight what’s stopping the boxer from using weapons or have other people jump in? What’s the use grappling someone if you’re gonna get head stomped by some random person .
     
  6. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Losses and bad performances are more excusable when you fight a lot of top contenders. The more fights against quality opposition the greater the probability of defeat. Likely no fighter could have 300 pro fights without a loss.
    With Fury his bad performances are a bad look because he's largely avoided his contemporaries and didn't fight Kabayel, Joshua, Zhang, Joyce, Bakole, Parker, Ruiz, Miller, etc, etc. Despite this he's lucky not to have multiple losses including tko losses to Wallin and Wilder.

    Having numerous bad performances despite barely fighting any top 10 opponents isn't the same thing as having bad performances when you fight everybody and it seems disingenuous to claim they are the same thing. Surely an Usyk with 200 pro fights who had beaten 30 ranked contenders would be afforded more leeway in terms of bad performances.
     
  7. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

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    Any scenario where it's a 1 on 1 fight with no weapons.
     
  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    So basically a sanctioned fight with rules like in the UFC. I agree, a UFC fighter would beat a boxer under specialized MMA rules.
     
  9. SouthpawsRule

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    Let me a bit more specific. Rules, no rules, in the ring, in the octagon, on Earth, on the Moon, sanctioned, non-sanctioned, as long as it's 1 on 1 and there are no weapons Ngannou owns every single boxer that has ever existed.
     
  10. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    So a 1 on 1 with no weapons aka a fight with a rule set. What you don’t seem to understand is that there’s no rules in a street fight. What happens if Francis time travels to the 1940s and randomly picks a fight with someone like Sonny Liston who had hundreds of street fights and a violent history outside of the ring. What is Francis gonna do when he grabs Liston then Liston suddenly pulls a blade from his side pocket and stabs Francis in the kidneys. Has Francis ever been in actual street fights or known for his violent history outside of the ring like Liston was known for?

    Honestly the only time Francis’s skill set would actually shine in a fight is if both men are butt naked in a prison cell with no resources besides their body parts. They already have something like that and it’s called the UFC.
     
  11. SouthpawsRule

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    I don't know why you make Liston out to be Al Capone, his "violent history" consists of a few fist fights with the cops, resisting arrest and some robberies (a single one at gun point in which nobody got injured). He's been rumoured to be a mob leg-breaker but it's just that, some rumours about him beating citizens up for extortion. Him stabbing Ngannou is about as likely as Ngannou pulling out a gun and shooting him in the face, most likely scenario is Liston throwing a punch at Ngannou and waking up in ICU a week later.
     
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  12. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    He was a literal mob enforcer in the 1950s, he served jail time for this in St Louis in one of the worst U.S prisons of all time. quick google search shows Listons violent past, I’m not really sure why you’re trying to downplay it as simply being rumors as if YouTube or Reddit existed back then. :lol: Francis on the other hand has had 0 street fight experience on his resume, quick google search claims that he was basically a Boy Scout before becoming a prize fighter compared to a hardened, violent man like Sonny Liston. I doubt Ngannou even knows how to use a handgun but Liston always carried a weapon with him, if anything he’ll be the one shooting Francis in the face.
     
  13. Serge

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    I was talking about how MMA fighters generally fare vs boxers not just the Floyd vs McGregor fight

    But McGregor shouldn't be winning rounds vs any version of Floyd, and that 40 y/o inactive version of Floyd would still have been one of the top fighters in the sport IMO, but he did and he was landing slick counters on him and walking him into educated shots despite it being his pro boxing debut

    Not sure about that, DP, we live in different times now and if Lummox was offered a £50m payday (or whatever the exact sky-high figure it was) to fight an MMA fighter I'm sure he would jump at the chance too, especially if he was pally with Turki who had big plans for him and many more similar and even larger paydays in store for him

    That's what I'm saying. Lummox claims to have not taken fights seriously, or as seriously as he should of, but we know Belly has a history of not doing so and has suffered with discipline issues, not turning up in the best of shape and fighting down to the level of his opposition

    Maybe but Lummox, like AJ, hit harder than Belly so even if he didn't take Ngannou seriously his chances of blowing Ngannou away would be higher.

    Ngannou is a enormous man and he is extremely physically strong and powerful. He's only been taken the distance once in all his victories, 12 of his 17 stoppage wins were 1st round finishes, all the others in round 2. And, as said, he was routinely blowing through world champs, former champs, top 10 contenders, and even GOATs in frightening fashion within seconds or minutes and just because some shots might not look that hard when you're that big and freakishly powerful they don't have to to do damage or have an effect

    We know Belly was well below his best that night but we have people trying to pretend otherwise and that struggling vs a 0-0-0 MMA fighter is his level which of course is an absurd take, whilst giving the likes of Lummox a free pass or making excuses for his KO losses to lower level opponents because ''he took them lightly'' and ditto to Mercer for losing to a 18-9 journeyman and drawing against a 7-9-2 journeyman 10 months before he beat Lummox in many fan's eyes.

    Is Lummox's level McCall and Rahman level?

    Is Mercer's level journeyman level?
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Losses and bad performances are more excusable when you don't turn up in shape and your history of not doing so, suffering from discipline issues and fighting down to the level of your opposition is well documented

    What's more excusable?

    An in shape Lummox getting one punch sparked out in the midst of his prime by McCall or a mentally unwell drug addict McCall who should never have been in a ring at the time getting stopped by Lummox?

    Usyk is in his late 30s and is already the oldest ever undisputed HW champ of all time, the 2nd oldest unified one, and the 5th oldest ever HW champion and he didn't even become HW champion until he was four months away from turning 35 and he became undisputed at 37, beating much or way bigger guys most of whom younger or much younger than him, in their backyards or on the road, and if he were to lose his next fight at 39 years of age to a much bigger, much younger murderous puncher in their backyard he would be absolutely crucified for it and it would be deemed by many as irrefutable proof he was never that good so the more leeway argument for him is a comical one. That's holding him to a standard no one else is
     
  15. catchwtboxing

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    Any boxer? Usyk has been practicing various forms or grappling since before he boxed, which is why he wants to have a low-level MMA match or two, just to show that off. Ngannou certainly has more sport experience grappling, but then, sport, even MMA, is a little different than street fighting.

    Might be competitive. And he's not the only one.