RJJ Vs Toney Rematch -Light heavy?

Same **** different weight.

 

Toney would struggle to find a round.

 

You concluded that before you watch say the Jirov fight? If volume was the key, which I don’t think it is, James would apply it.

 

Your entitled to your opinion but I'm baffled by it to be quite honest.

Toney did nothing at Light Heavyweight he lost 3 times once to an unremarkable opponent in Drake Thadzi.

RJJ before moving up to Heavyweight barely lost a round at Light Heavyweight. And comparing RJJ's performances to Toney's performances at Light Heavyweight it's night/day difference.

RJJ was blasting out the likes of Montel Griffin in 1 round who beat Toney twice, destroying Virgil Hill with a single body shot, shut out Reggie Johnson who some felt beat Toney,

Toney was not producing anywhere close to that level at Light Heavyweight.

RJJ already shut out Toney at arguably his best weight Super Middleweight. So how in the world is Toney going to overcome a stylistic nightmare like RJJ at objectively his worst weight ? That makes 0 sense to me.

 

Sorry but your post does not make a lot of sense. First off, a lot of folks thought Toney won both Griffin and the Thadzi fights. Have you actually seen those fights and scored them in an objective manner? Even if you disagree, we are talking here about a hypothetical version of Toney fthat would be highly motivated and conditioned. Because that is the version that would most likely appear in the Jones rematch. You are making a big deal about it, but 175 was no different than any other weight, it is more a question of physical preparation. Then you keep going back to the 168 showdown where Toney was not in shape. If it is 160, 168 or 175, if Toney is not in shape he is not going to be competitive with Roy Jones.

 

Agree with DP here, fergs. Toney was crap at light heavy, losing to unremarkable opposition. Jones established his greatness there.

When they did fight, at a weight that Toney had been showing good form in recently, Jones outclassed him. Toney's chances don't improve at a weight where he lost three times.

Let's not make excuses for the Griffin losses by saying he was awkward. Roy was awkward and Roy showed how unawkward Griffin could look when he was motivated.

We can't say Toney would be motivated. You can't predict him. If he lost to Jones because of a lack of motivation, why? That fight was for the world's p4p best status. If that can't get him going then you can never be 100% sure he'll be up for it.

 

Why would this hypothetical Toney be so motivated if the real Toney wasn’t motivated to fight Roy Jr the first time? Biggest fight of his life, P4P No. 1, bigger money after a win and all that on the line … and you saw what happened.

RJJ, btw, said he was weight-drained making super middle for their fight but he still dominated.

Truth is, the hypothetical Toney at 175 people are dreaming up here was just that — a hypothetical. Because there’s not a result or performance by the actual James Toney at that weight who does any better against a pre-Ruiz version of Roy Jr than he actually did.

As people keep saying that was Toney’s worst weight class. The results speak to that.

 

Griffin unwisely ditched Eddie Futch for the return with Jones thinking he knew best, believing he could take it out of any judges/referees hands and take him out. Yeah that was bright. Futch still believed Roy had zero answers for an identical fight plan as the first one, citing Norton beating Ali three times in his view.

 

Toney would not have made that mistake twice. If you are familiar with Toney's history, the Jones rematch is the one fight Toney wanted most in his career. He did not manage that loss well at all. I am sure Toney would have been fully motivated and conditioned for the rematch.

 

Roy Jones by domination at Light Heavy, that was Toney's worst weight class. A more interesting matchup after their first fight would have been when both of them were at heavyweight. Toney from the Holyfield fight vs Roy from the Ruiz fight.