Which fight was closer Madrimov vs Bud or Usyk vs Briedis

Crawford is the best fighter from the USA I have said this for a long time and picked him to beat Spence I just feel that Usyk is the better fighter with the better resume. If anything you are always trying to discredit Usyk even going as far as making a thread suggesting that Bivol would beat him.

 

There was nothing about my post that was agenda driven in favour of Crawford.

I said both fights are objectively 115-113 with both Usyk and Crawford pulling out close wins down the stretch which means i wasn't favouring Usyk or Crawford over each other.

A poll here had Crawford winning 133-52 which is a pretty significant edge.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/who-won-terence-crawford-or-israil-madrimov.724563/page-5

My issue is with this thread is that the OP has been back peddling on what he said prior to the fight. He picked Canelo to win convincingly and also suggested Crawford beating Canelo would be a better win than Usyk beating Fury because Fury is not on Canelo's level his words not mine.

So since Crawford has beaten Canelo he's now being hypocrite based on what he said before and is discrediting Crawford's win over Canelo. His posts have also reeked of sour grapes since the Canelo fight, and now he's making threads like this which is obviously an agenda driven thread to yet again find mental gymnastics to compare Crawford to Usyk to try and discredit Crawford.

As i've said before i really don't understand this mentality of a gang warfare like mentality between Usyk's fans and Crawford's fans.

Guess what ? i'm a fan of both fighters and i think objectively they both are great fighters and they both have good arguments to being P4P number 1.

You can find holes in anyone's resume and look to discredit them if you have an agenda it's not hard to do.

 

The truth according to @CST80 : "Canelo is going to maul Crawford and I'm going to be right" "Usyk is the greatest heavyweight of all time" "Spence was washed at 33 while Fury was in peak condition at 35" "Crawford doesn't even break the pfp top 4" "I scored the Fury/Ngannou fight for Ngannou but Fury is still top 2"

I think I also remember you saying something along the lines of:

"Anthony Joshua is A level while Canelo is B level". Lol, oh yeah there's definitely an agenda going on after I saw you state this crap

Maybe if Fury didn't go life and death with 210 pound featherfisted Cunningham 2 years prior to the Klitschko fight I'd be inclined to agree with you, but that's exactly what happened.

Go ahead and explain that to the whole crowd if beating Fury while being a former cruiserweight is such an all time great feat. Fury was arguably closer to his prime against Cunningham than against Usyk. Overrated as hell

 

I have a riddle for you.
Here it goes:

Brothers and sisters, he has none.
But this man's father is Madrimov's father's son.

 

We can go quote for quote if that's your plan

The first post was sarcastic but even if I actually thought that, you're bringing up polar opinions, so what have you actually accomplished by mentioning them ? A old Canelo is still better than an old Fury who struggled with an old mma fighter who never won a boxing match

I doesn't matter what i said about the outcome. After all of that Crawford still moved up 2 weightclasses after you claimed he struggled with Madrimov and had no chance against Canelo, then he beat Canelo soundly. Canelo was unbeaten at 168 and undisputed champion. But then you proceed call that a B or C level win while calling joshua an A LEVEL WIN ????? No. We're not doing that. Mayweather, GGG and Bivol are so ahead of Joshuas conquers bar Usyk. The bodybuilder got his ass beat by an obese unranked contender and couldn't even dominate a 40 year old Povetkin who weighed 222 pounds. Thats right, Povetkin was 222 pounds and 40 years old and that fight was razor close until Povetkin gassed. Usyk was BARELY smaller than Povetkin and far younger

Canelo is overrated. Fury is even more overrated. Struggled with and got laid out by Cunningham who was a featherfisted cruiserweight and never fought at heavyweight prior, and you can absolutely argue that Fury was closer to his prime against Cunningham than against Usyk.

 

7-5 close but clear for the eventual winner in both fights.

No agenda to push here for idiots like the thread starter.

 

Based on what exactly ? My scorecard is in line with the average fans scorecards.

The average fan scorecard on boxrec mostly had Crawford winning.

61 percent had Crawford winning on this site with 24 percent to Madrimov with the other 13 percent having it a draw.

So across the board the majority vote is that Crawford deserved to win in a close fight.

Crawford/Madrimov was objectively a very close fight after 9 rounds with the fight being up for grabs at that point. But the majority feel Crawford won the championship rounds to win a close fight in the region of 7-5 with a draw also being possible.

I don't see how people had Madrimov winning personally when objectively most had Crawford winning the championship rounds. Which means Madrimov would've had to of already won the fight on their scorecards after 9 rounds and I don't see how that's possible.

It was a nip/tuck tactical fight Madrimov landed the odd eye catching right hands but it simply wasn't enough he did too much feinting/moving and not enough punching. And he lost the fight in the final 3 rounds after the fight was up for grabs for either man at that point.

And that is an objective take.

 

Usyk vs Briedis was closer on my card.

I actually called it a draw, while I had Crawford winning 8-4 against Madrimov. Felt there was room to swing to Usyk against Maris so obvously no issue with the official result, but I felt like I get to a draw more easily in the cruiserweight fight than the junior middleweight tilt.

 

Both were close and competitive but IMO Crawford won more rounds while Usyk edged it but still won it with no controversy. I had Crawford winning 8-4 while Usyk beat Breidis 7-5. Madrimov's problems was that he just didn't throw enough punches, was more foused on feinting and hesitated too long. He was having success and landing eye catching punches in the first half but just let it slip away as the fight wore on.

 

I'm using your words against you. You can bring up all these other predictions but none of them have anything to do with the subject. I never stated that Usyk would get ran through by joshua and fury and there are many posts saying Usyk is a threat to the heavyweight division. It's you deflecting because you say Canelo is now shot as cope after claiming for years that Crawford had no chance against Canelo or that Bud is chinny despite never getting knocked out and would get mauled by Alverez at 168.

This post was sarcastic. If you can't detect the sarcasm that's not my problem. As soon as Canelo asked for 100 million to fight Crawford i knew he was a threat, and Canelo has known it this whole time. Usyk was bang on the money, Crawford would beat Canelo because he's pfp#1 in Usyks own words.

Ngannou never won a boxing match in his entire career and got blown away by joshua in 2 rounds. I know this is all cope because joshua at the peak of his powers never took out a contender the way he disposed on Ngannou. You want to know why ? Because Ngannou is a terrible boxer at world level and Furys performance was one of the biggest stains in the history of the sport. I wouldn't even be surprised if some super middleweights could outbox and decision Ngannou h2h. Canelo himself might beat up Ngannou, Canelo is probably good enough to beat a few journeyman and that's Ngannous level. He didn't look helpless against Sanchez after all.

LOL

stop hitting the crack tables. Anderson would whoop Ngannou in the same fashion he beat down Kingsley Ibeh. Ibeh would knock Ngannou out if they fought a boxing match obviously. The fact you're going this far to claim Ngannou would beat beat up any contenders in the top 20 tells me everything. Keep pushing your goofy ass agenda

Fury looked like crap in Wilder 3 and against an mma fighter on his debut. Fury was also as old as Canelo was. Furys peak was also 9 years in the rear view mirror, further behind him than Canelos peak. Canelos legacy craps on joshua and Fury. He doesn't have to be anywhere near the goat to accomplish that. Fury and Joshua are very overrated. Keep crying

What skilled contenders did Fury outbox in the run up to Usyk, a shot Dillian Whyte ? An old lethargic Chisora ? Young Fury robbed a bum named John McDermott. The fact is Povetkin was well past his prime and was still arguably outboxing joshua until he gassed. Povetkin was 222 Pounds. Cunningham gave Fury serious problems and he was only 210 pounds and featherfisted.

You can't even name any world class small heavy’s or former cruisers that Fury and Joshua dominated. It's never happened. Charlo was undisputed at 154 and Canelo mangled him.

The heavyweight division was overrated in your own words, and now you're flipping suit saying absolute nonesense about Ngannou being more dangerous than actual contenders at heavyweight !!!!! Wtf is wrong with you. You're also saying an old mma fighter who was on his debut, never won a boxing match and got no diffed by joshua even easier than some journeyman is a bigger threat at heavyweight than any of the ranked fighters that Canelo beat at SMW ? This is how low you have to go to support your BS. Pathetic

 

I don't "white knight" anyone.

You made a thread about Usyk/Crawford saying that Usyk should be P4P number 1 after Crawford beat Canelo.

I replied to your thread saying both fighters have a legit argument to being P4P number 1 ? And was totally fair in my analysis for both fighters ? So how is that "white knighting" explain ?

The fact is the vast majority scored the fight for Crawford and the vast majority scored the fight for Usyk. And most importantly all 3 judges were in agreement for both fights that it was a UD so that's the only real relevance to this discussion.

Yes Briedis is objectively better than Madrimov but then Madrimov is objectively better than someone like Chisora. And that fight was pretty close after 10 rounds until Usyk pulled away in the championship rounds.

Styles make fights Madrimov was a very tricky opponent who had very good movement and used feints well the issue was his output wasn't high enough.

Also the reason I'm so vocal about this thread is because this isn't a thread made to have a normal discussion/debate. It's an agenda driven hate thread with mental gymnastics in an attempt to discredit Crawford. And the OP who made it has had sour grapes since Crawford beat Spence and he constantly changes his narrative to discredit Crawford.

Finally as I said before why can't we just appreciate both fighters ? I don't understand this gang warfare like mentality. Where it has to be Usyk fans vs Crawford fans and why people are so emotional about who is P4P number 1 and who isn't.