Which fight was closer Madrimov vs Bud or Usyk vs Briedis

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  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Something that should be taken into account is that Briedis is a level above Madrimov.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    You said Crawford had very little chance against Canelo during the build up as well and shifted right before the fight to Crawford by SD. The only difference is, you're using that as a way to bolster your newfound Crawford fanboyism, wow... I can't believe he performed this well against the beastly Canelo I thought would brutally KO him! He's a monster!!!! You even mapped out that that would be your reaction. Whereas I said plenty of times in the lead up that Bud would win several rounds because stylistically the match was advantageous to him, but that eventually Canelo would walk him down and stop him late. I knew Canelo had seen better days, but... I figured he wasn't that far gone. Well... I was very wrong, he was that far removed from the Canelo that fought even Bivol. There's no cope whatsoever. It was quite obvious, but to you, one that doesn't process reality all that well. You clearly are unwilling to acknowledge that.

    Again, no evidence that that's sarcasm. It's in line with many of your other comments. At least even though I embellish for dramatic effect occasionally, I don't walk back what I said entirely, with a cheap ass... but I jest!

    Are we all supposed to assume this was sarcasm as well?

    Or how about all of the threads hyping Boots and Janibek, saying they'll dominate Bud?

    No, it's because Ngannou has never tasted power like AJ's in the MMA, and Fury isn't nearly as powerful as AJ. Also his skills aren't bad, he hung with Fury, that's proof enough. There! It's that simple!


    Ah! That world beater Kingsley Ibeh!:risas3: Here you go again! You never ****ing learn. Anderson fought terrified against Ryad Merhy and had his bell rung a couple of times against ****ing Mario Kollias, and again went the distance. For the record, I never said Ngannou would beat contenders. I said he'd beat HW's on the level of a Scull or Berlanga. Anderson and Sanchez are at or below their levels, they're not contenders. Remember... I'm the one who said Anderson, Sanchez and Jalalov were **** while it was you that hyped them, there's only one person with goofy ass agendas here, which are most of the ones you push. I see you're already looking to get back on the Sanchez wagon saying he'll beat Dubois. Again... you never ****ing learn.

    I said countless times, the version of Canelo that Crawford fought rates below Joshua and Fury. Legacy means **** all. Are we saying that Maccarinelli stopping a damned near 47 year old Roy Jones Jr. is an ATG win, after all, when you beat the man you claim their legacy! Or how about the immortal Grover Wiley ending the career of Chavez Sr. Oh wait, that's right, you don't claim their legacy, you beat what's in front of you. If that man is a shell, they get credit for beating a shell, not a prime version. With Fury, he's an unpredictable mess, so no one knows when his prime was or wasn't. It doesn't matter, because Usyk doesn't posses a ton of power and both of them (AJ included) are skilled behemoths, one of which is a KO artist. Yet neither of them came close to putting him down or beating him. Canelo's legs were stuck in quicksand and could barely move, yet Crawford eked out a one point fight. Keep spinning, you ****ing headcase. Any reasonable observer could watch Joshua and Fury's performances against Usyk then Canelo's against Crawford and see, the lack of a size differential and stylistic advantages by all rights should've benefitted Crawford a hell of a lot more than it did. Yet he struggled. Whereas the size differential and solid skillsets of AJ and Fury, should've disadvantaged Usyk to a degree.... it didn't.

    Of course I said HW was an overrated division, but not nearly as overrated as Super Middleweight was when Canelo took it over. I've spent years on here bashing that wasteland of a division, even made a thread mocking it when all of the Middleweights were moving up and cleaning it out.

    Scull was dominated and almost stopped by Shishkin and got a gift. No notable wins.

    Munguia got gifts against Dennis Hogan and the shell of Derevyanchenko, then KO'd by French feather duster Surace.

    Berlanga should've lost to Rolls, Angulo and drawn with Quigley. Got slept by that bum Sheeraz.

    Charlo was dominated by Harrison and Castano, and should have losses to Trout and Martirosyan.

    Ryder, I love the guy, but he barely scraped by Jacobs, and got retired by Munguia. Bookending his Canelo match.

    Plant got bounced around the ring by Benavidez, McCumby and Resendez. But dat Dirrell KO doe!:lol:

    Saunders, I also love, but... he looked like ass against Murray, Isufi and Coceras beforehand.

    Yildirim the man was brutally KO'd by CEJ, schooled by Cullen, and mangled by 40yo Yusuf Kanguel.:lol:

    Callum Smith, horribly drained, coming off of what should've been a one sided beatdown loss to Ryder.

    Kovalev, drained with no recovery or prepare time, coming off of stoppage loss to Alvarez and a gruelling last few rounds against Yarde. Went on to be manhandled by Robin Sirwan Safar, who I'd never even heard of, and haven't heard from since.

    Rocky Fielding, that Smith KO1 victim, who got a gift against Rebrase and Ryder and was retired by featherfisted Azeez.

    GGG 3, was there for a paycheck and ****ing retired. Yet he still finished stronger and won 5 rounds.:lol:

    Chavez Jr, why even waste my time?:lol:

    Then those big wins over Bivol and GGGx2... oh wait!

    Take your mealy mouth mincing about AJ and Fury's big wins and blow it out of your ass. You can do this with everyone on Crawford's resume, not just Canelo. And let's be honest... Canelo's entire resume should have a ****ing asterisk over it.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

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    I've said from the beginning that if Crawford beats Canelo he's the greatest of this generation, get tf out with that newfound nonesense.

    Canelo looked far gone against Bivol too, matching forward with feet in quicksand. He looked the exact same against Charlo, and Ryder, and Saunders. Canelo always had slow feet, but this time he had a pfp great in front of him. Nobody Canelo fought bar Mayweather has better footwork than Crawford. Crawford beats any version of Canelo.
    Another stupid post. I've said Crawford is giving Canelo problems several times beforehand only to to claim he has no chance afterwards ? You can't detect sarcasm, but go ahead and keep grasping at straws. It's irrelevant.
    I remember saying they'd give him problems, not anything along the lines of them dominating Crawford, but it's irrelevant. Stop deflecting. You said Crawford would get mangled by Canelo AFTER his fight with Scull.
    And you know this how ? It's because he's a goddamn 37 year old mma fighter who had 1 professional fight. You claim Ngannou is good because Fury struggled despite the atrocious circumstances, only to claim Fury is unpredictable and wasn't in fighting shape. You're hiding behind circular reasoning and a mist of mental gymnastics
    Joshua couldn't KO drop Dubois or Wallin. Joshua was just so far above Ngannou that when he set his shows up he landed at will. Ngannou is not a world beater in heavyweight boxing. He is journeyman level. Anderson is a fringe contender, which still counts. Anderson would beat the ever loving crap out of Ngannou in a boxing match. He would destroy him. Keep hyping up an old ass mma fighter who never won a boxing match, was less competitive than Eric Molina against joshua and only had 2 professional fights. only makes your argument more and more pathetic.

    Thread has nothing to do with those predictions btw, you're still deflecting. You claimed Stanionis would beat up Boots and he turned around and got mauled in 6 rounds. You said Castano would stop Charlo in the rematch. You thought Ajagba would beat Sanchez. You thought Morrell would KO Benavidez. You thought Saunders would school Canelo. You still claim Vergil Ortiz would beat Boots, after Bohachuk got whooped by Brandon Adams. Happy to see how that one turns out. You've had several prspects turn out to be duds. We can go quote for quote if you want, easy, those kinds of mentions would be off topic but im happy to oblige. You've been around here way longer than me, so i have a bigger bucket full to play with
    No tf they aren't. Fury's best win was 9 years behind him. Wilder is a trash 1 trick pony who has no good wins besides the fossil remains of Luis Ortiz. Then he got beat up by a man with 0 professional boxing experience. If we go off the rule that you're only as good as your last fight and then look at the fighters age, Fury was a shell of himself. Usyk did not fight anything close to a prime Fury if you want to suggest Bud saw the shell of Canelo. And don't use the excuse that Usyk was past it to balance the situation, because Crawford was also past it against Canelo. Canelo is not shot or else he wouldn't have been the #1 SMW by all sanctioning bodies, Crawford is just better than him and was a bad style match up.
    Utter garbage. Joshua is not better than a past it Canelo. Joshua got his ass beat by an unranked obese fringe contender and mauled by Dubois. Fury was past it and has a thin resume.

    Nice false equivalence comparing a champion in Canelo who was unbeaten at 168 beating several ranked contenders beforehand to an old ass Roy Jones and Chavez who were done at the top level, using Roy who had been KO'd numerous times is especially funny
    When someone like Joyce is a threat at the top level, your division is trash. Slow as molasses and uses a Homer Simpson boxing style.
     
  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    That cuck Markus was the biggest AJ and Fury fan girl on here, now they’re nothing to him cause they got beat.
     
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  5. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I thought that you and Markus were mates?
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stfu you little excrement assbag
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Oh... didn't you know, he backed Usyk to beat AJ!:rolleyes:
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

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    Didn't claim he'd run through Usyk like you claimed Canelo would mangle Crawford

    :bananaride
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    But I thought Canelo was a world class world beater ATG P4P H2H beastly GOAT fighter? How silly of me to not realize he was a worthless shot bum like you're now implying. Bud's win over him is meaningless I guess, it was that obvious!:lol: After all, picking a Super Middleweight to beat a Lightweight, that's like..... totally bat**** crazy!!!!
     
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  10. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    A lot of people picked Canelo for obvious reasons but it was pretty clear from the opening bell that he was cooked. AJ at least came to fight and put forward the best effort he could. Canelo did not.
     
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  11. MarkusFlorez99

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    Canelo tried his best, Crawford had all the tools to neutralize him. You would probably claim some nonesense like "Canelo from the Charlo and Bivol fight would fair better against Crawford" when in reality Crawford beats any version of Canelo
     
  12. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think that Canelo did try his best. Now against GGG I thought he gave his all in a losing effort and that version of Canelo no doubt in my mind beats Crawford.
     
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  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    No, he tried his best and Crawford had an answer for everything Canelo did. Canelo himself thinks Crawford is better than Mayweather
     
  14. MidniteProwler

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    I've been watching boxing a long time lad and that was a far cry from a prime Canelo performance. Even in losing efforts to Floyd, GGG and Bivol he at least had a crack.
     
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  15. MarkusFlorez99

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    Bivol literally treated him worse than Crawford did what are you talking about ? Bivol laid on the ropes several times and used less movement, that's probably why you think he had a better go. Floyd was a small welterweight and many think he beat Canelo in even more dominant fashion than both of them