Is the voting for the IBHOF biased in favor of American and British boxers?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Perkin Warbeck, Oct 8, 2025 at 8:49 AM.


Should nationality matter when voting for the IBHOF?

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  1. Yes, American and British fighters should be favored

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  2. No, boxers should be judged on their accomplishments

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  1. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Dariusz Michalczewski unified the titles at 175 (two of which were quickly taken away), and was a two division champion. He defeated Virgil Hill, yet Hill is in the IBHOF while Dariusz has been excluded. Why? Because he's Polish, not American?

    Steve Collins beat Chris Eubank TWICE and Nigel Benn TWICE.

    Yet he will be excluded and they are much more likely to be voted in. Why? Because he's Irish, not English?

    If he were British or American and HYPED by the media in those countries would he be voted in?

    Chris John had a splendid boxing record including a win over Juan Manuel Marquez, a great fighter who KOed Manny Pacquiao. But because he's Indonesian and didn't fight in the USA he will likely never be voted in.

    (For those who say John-JMM was a robbery: Scott Mallon of Ring Magazine and The Sweet Science was ringside at the fight, and scored the bout 116-110 in favor of John. His report and those of the Asian journalists in attendance suggested the bout was a just decision).

    Would it not be better if the people who vote for inclusion into the IBHOF would look at what boxers actually accomplished and ignored their nationality and whether they ?
     
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  2. shalomMF

    shalomMF New Member Full Member

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    I see some American bias. But I don't really see British bias, Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn should be in the hall of fame, but they aren't.

    Dariusz Michalczewski still not getting is absurd, no doubt.
     
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  3. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Steve Collins is not in the IBHOF.

    He's in the Atlantic City Boxing Hall of Fame.

    He's on the current ballot for the IBHOF, but won't get voted in.
     
  4. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's more of a popularity contest nowadays rather than focus on actual accomplishments and resume. Perhaps some bias and politics involved but I don't think nationality has anything to do with it.
     
  5. shalomMF

    shalomMF New Member Full Member

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    Oh my bad, I read it wrong. I saw an article headline that he'd got into the hall of fame, but he's been inducted into something called the Atlantic City Boxing Hall of Fame .

    Yeah he's on the ballot for the IBHOF, hopefully he gets in.
     
  6. Kiwi Fish

    Kiwi Fish Active Member Full Member

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    Its always been about impact on the sport I thought. Which will naturally favour fighters who are more prominent and well known by the judges which is largely American and British fighters.
     
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  7. shalomMF

    shalomMF New Member Full Member

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    If that's the case, Why aren't Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn in then?

    (and Lloyd Honeyghan)
     
  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    While I agree that Dariusz Michalczawski should get in the HoF due to merit and accomplishments 25-2 with 20 knockouts in world title fights, I can understand why he's still not due to 2 reasons. He won and defended the WBO title in the 90's when it was looked at as next to worthless. The second reason being his resume is extremely thin, besides Virgil Hill who else does he have? He's 6-2 against former titlists in the 4 belt era. Virgil Hill is in instead of Dariusz due to actually defending legit belts in his lengthy title reign and beating better fighters, it's as simple as that.

    Chris John as well, besides Marquez who exactly did he beat? On paper he has a great record with a bunch of defenses but when you look closer, he didn't really do anything spectacular. I remember watching John's fight live on tv when he fought a faded Rocky Juarez in their first fight in John's HBO debut on the Marquez/Diaz undercard. Fight ended in a draw and he was getting rocked throughout the fight. After winning the rematch he didn't do much until getting man handled Vetyeka then retiring.
     
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  9. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Well, in some sense it probably does - but only in the sense that being from particular nations helps with the popularity/fame side of things... Or at least when it comes to the most obvious/quantifiable metrics, such as PPV buys.
     
  10. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    A lot of Eastern Europeans only came around in the last recent decades. Whereas, American and British boxers have been around since the 19th century at least.
     
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  11. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    To be fair, Hill accomplished a lot more than Michalczewski.
     
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  12. shalomMF

    shalomMF New Member Full Member

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    Really? Dariusz was exceptional and highly successful

    2 weight world champ at light heavy and cruiser
    Unified 3 of the world titles at light heavy,
    Undefeated for 99% of his career.
    25 wins in world title fights, with 22 KO's
    2rd Highest number of Consecutive World title defences ever, 23 defences (2nd only to Joe Louis with 26)
    Highest Number of Consecutive KO Defences in a row since the 1960's,with 14 KO defences in a row.

    and he beat Virgil Hill comfortably!
     
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  13. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    He held the WBO belt in the 90s. And the fact that you did not list any of his opponents names besides Hill, well, its says a lot about how deep his resume actually was. Listing all of those nice numbers is just smoke and mirrors.

    In actuality Michalczewski was a really good boxer, and had a few fantastic performances, beat a handful of really good opponents, but he wasted his career defending the WBO belt. And his "two division champion" claim is a joke. He beat a nobody for the WBO belt at a time when it was meaningless.

    For me, Hill accomplished a lot more, and his claim as Cruiserweight champion is a lot more solid.
     
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  14. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    Right now they induct whoever they think will produce more tickets selling. In the future and at the rate they are going I will not be surprised if one day they induct Jake Paul.
     
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  15. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    He won the other light heavyweight titles as well, then was stripped for not being an American. And he was also cruiserweight champ.

    Some of those boxers he beat were very good, although they are unfamiliar to you not because they were poor, but because they are from outside the USA and UK.
    John was faded when he finally got on HBO for that fight with Juarez. He was prime against JMM.
    You are making the mistake of believing since you are not familiar with some of the Asian fighters on John's resume, then they can't be any good. But in reality, being hyped by the US and UK media and being familiar to US boxing fans because they are on American TV doesn't make boxers better.
    He unified ALL the belts at 175, but was stripped of the others because he was not an American.

    At other times, he defended the WBO title so many times because he was avoided and frozen out of fights for the other titles.
     
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