Mike Tyson ''88 vs Foreman ''73 I know most us,including me pick George, but

This is a good post SS. I have to ask why would it not be in his interest to be pushed back at close range? It was his whole game, Tyson did not fight on the inside, Foreman only made real use of his “shoving” when someone board there way in, Frazier actually had him on the back foot (not that he was winning) otherwise I only really saw him effective at “redirecting” against Frazier who leaned in on his front foot at his waist making him hard of balance and very vulnerable to that sort of thing, your weight should be more set. Larry tried to extend his gloves against Tyson and was whipped with rights to the body, extending your gloves potentially keeps the space but makes you very predictable, Tyson knew you can only throw a right hand or vice versa depending which one you use, it buys time and if you’re using the left hand it stops right hands chinning you, but not any other punch, especially if they slip it and hook you instead, as you mention of Tyson’s counter hook…to throw the right hand you must retract your left, it’s not hard to time and counter if you just leave your left out there, it also is very dangerous here for GF as he left his right hand slightly outstretched Peralta, Young, Ali and even Frazier landed hooks on him frequently… the issue also of using both hands to shove them back if they try to clinch or get inside it just leaves you open for body shots, watch I believe it was Stewart vs Foreman for an easy example that displays this. MT plan was to counter you as he came in, tie up and reset. Holyfield and Douglas did not fight anything like Foreman and deployed much different strategies then simply illegally pushing him back, Douglas was very light of foot, fast handed and used his jab much better then GF understood how to in the 70s, BD used it to pattern Tyson, stayed on his toes, locked up, reset and put his right hand where MT was going to be Holyfield basically worked off a similar principle against a totally different version of MT.

 

Tyson was stunned early in multiple fights. After being hit hard in the latter stages of round 2 against Holyfield, he later said he couldn't remember anything after that round.

Tyson was one of these guys who was extremely hard to drop (tree trunk legs, low center of gravity, and whatever brain wiring he had) but he'd often stay on his feet when badly hurt, helpless. He never came back when he was really badly hurt, not once. You talk about Foreman getting dropped so hard and how Tyson was never dropped like that. Well Foreman came back from that and knocked out Ron Lyle. Tyson didn't have that chip, when the chips were way down Tyson was done. Look at the end of the Holyfield fight. He doesn't go down yet is completely done in, and helpless. This can be worse than going down and having a break. There was none of this in Tyson. Once you really scrambled him there was definitely no coming back, unlike guys like Ali, Holmes, Fury and myriads of other boxers.

It's not hard to envision Tyson going out early, and it's most certainly not impossible. When he couldn't consistently come forward he was ordinary. Futch knew it and so did Holyfield. He wouldn't come forward against Big George. Whether on his feet at the conclusion or on the canvas, it's lights out up top.

 

Mate, dice it up anyway you like but Foreman isn’t getting sat down by Danny Williams.

Also, you can draw a line right through the Holyfield fights. Holyfield hit Foreman a gazillion times and George was never close to dropping. The same Holyfield had little trouble putting Tyson fair on his backside.

Foreman had a better chin. That’s objectively evidenced.

 

It was Tyson in 2004 at 38 years old as a drug addict, gambling full time party animal... he also tore something in his knee and required surgery, that is not the same as being almost killed by RON LYLE, Holyfield didn't flatline Tyson he just beat him down after he was spent... GF in his comeback had a great defence and a calmness to endure and knew how to survive, they were not similar fights nor fighters. Foreman looked much more vulnerable then MT ever did close to his prime.

 

Ron Lyle, who hit like a truck. He’d have flattened any heavyweight in history if he hit them with the right shot.

But he was no Danny Williams.

 

Tyson said he couldn’t remember anything after Holyfield butted him.

 

At what timestamp can i see this headbutt in round 2?

 

Oh, so you’re invoking your own bias to rearrange Tyson’s words. Got it.

 

Woow,. If someone uses the Danny Williams fight as an argument against Tyson, they can easily prove that Tyson was never even half as tough as Trevor Berbick and that his chances against Pinklon Thomas are very slim.

In reality, Danny Williams attacked an exhausted Tyson who had no strength to defend himself, while Holyfield attacked a conscious Foreman who constantly tucked his head between his shoulders, constantly maneuvering it. Tyson took punches statically... perhaps some fans understand this already, perhaps some struggle with it.

In real life, Tyson was actually hurt several times—against Tucker, against Bruno, against Ruddock—and he won each of those fights. If he had fallen or been counted out, it would have been easier for him to recover. But he couldn't take a knee, and the referee didn't count—Tyson came back and won all those fights. In each defeat, he first exhausted himself and then was knocked out. No one hit the fresh Tyson hard enough to take him out of the ring, even though Smith, Tucker, Bruno, and Ruddock all hit incredibly hard and the punches they landed were classic, preemptive strikes.

 

Older Foreman had a better chin than Younger Foreman I think.

 

Foreman beats any small, short-armed fighter who pursues him aggressively.

Foreman by KO in 4-5 rounds.

 

You won't see it. It's not there.

 

In his autobiography Undisputed Truth, Tyson writes:

“I started feeling weary, like I was blacking out a little, but my anger and adrenaline jolted me back. … From that point on, I don’t remember too much because I was so enraged.” (foxsports.com.au)

So his phrasing is that he “started feeling … like I was blacking out a little” during the fight (in the early rounds), and after the head butt / frustration, “from that point on, I don’t remember too much.” (foxsports.com.au)

 

Long ahh response but I’ll get to it dw

 

Please don’t, I’ll format it was a YouTube Short, Reel or Tik Tok for you next time ahh attention span.