Do you consider Fury toying with 10 year unbeaten Klitschko one of the best achievements in boxing ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MarkusFlorez99, Mar 4, 2021.


Is this a top 10 achievement ?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2022.
  1. Yes

    12 vote(s)
    24.5%
  2. No

    37 vote(s)
    75.5%
  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Belly, who it's hardly a secret is notorious for suffering from discipline issues and fighting down to the level of his opposition, had one bad performance in the previous 4 years, had knocked out of stopped 4 of his last 5 opponents, all of whom with the exception of one round, in completely one-sided dominant fashion. That run of form, Ngannou aside, is probably Belly's best run of form and certainly arguably so if not, not his worst run of form like Clenelo's was

    Clenelo who does not and never has suffered from discipline issues and is always in top shape, literally hadn't stopped anyone in four years despite cherrypicking all throughout that time and many of those fighters he failed to stop have subsequently knocked out or stopped by fighters far from elite. Complete featherfists, 160 pounders making their 168 debut, and padded record C levels. That's a clear pattern over a four year period not one bad night at the office after taking an opponent lightly

    And the one-dimensional Clenelo was a very favourable stylistic match up for Crawford and Crawford even admits such himself

    Belly was not a very favourable stylistic match up for Usyk at all. Not only is Belly a highly skilled versatile boxer and way bigger than him but those enormous physical advantages he holds over him made it a far more difficult, risky and dangerous assignment for Usyk

    And if you disagree then we can just refer to Crawford yet again because he himself believes size disadvantages are a big obstacle to overcome, let alone the obscene size disadvantages Usyk had to overcome vs Belly

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    "My thing is Benavidez is a big dude. Not to say I won't fight him (no you absolutely won't lol). I fought his brother and his brother was big when I fought him.

    The only reason why I entertain Clenelo is because he's not a big dude. He might be thick but he's not a big dude. Benavidez is like 6'2'' and then he gonna come it at 190 . 200, probably. That's a big dude.''

    Do I need to translate what he's actually saying here?

    ''You just size them up. Size them up. Especially when you go into a bigger weight class. You size them up and see your advantages''

    “He got a little wider frame, but he’s a little shorter. But all in all, we’re around the same size. So, by y’all saying, ‘Oh, Canelo’s this massive size,' it was disrespect. Then, when y’all seen me weigh in, then y’all say, ‘Oh, well, they about the same.' It’s not a big difference.''
     
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  2. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was a very good win but he fumbled it when he ducked the rematch and tossed out the belts.
     
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  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Haha I remember Markus and his Sanchez is the next big thing phase :risas3:
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You better pray he loses to Dubois otherwise you won't be hearing the end of it from me
     
  5. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury's win over Wlad is arguably the most significant win in the past 20 years.
     
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  6. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    holding, mauling and spoiling his way through a slow dance... with a VERY END of the Line 16 Years in Klit.

    Get Real!
     
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  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    That might be fun for you if I'd actually ever said I rated Dubois highly
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The only place he was COMFORTABLY ahead was the corrupt as hell scorecard of the paid off Canelo judges and the delusional fanboys of Canelo, like you. Any reasonable scorer had Saunders up. The biased DAZN scorer Chris Mannix had Saunders up. Even usually the A-side loving scorers on Boxrec had it dead even. And yes, it was a freak accident, plenty of fighters get hit with uppercuts, they rarely result in a broken eye socket. Sanders was probably more responsible for that than Canelo, because he leaned into it. But... but... but... that was his plan all along! Yeah... no it wasn't. If you argue otherwise, then what are you saying? Fighters who kill their opponents intended to? **** off with all of this nonsense.
     
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  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh so you don't rate Dubois, good to know
     
  10. shavers

    shavers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nope he ****ed the rematch cause he was scared of an angry Wlad...
     
  11. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson Fury's form starting at the 3rd Wilder fight has been ****. And being decked and struggling to win a 10-rounder with the debuting MMA fighter deserved him to be completely removed from any rankings. Binned off completely. Bum-level. Absolute ****, there's really no way around it. However much people want to fluff up Fury, or Usyk, or whatever else agenda they have, that's absolute turd. Any honest person would just acknowledge it and move on. Fury's looked half-shot after Covid lay-off, then his credibility fell off a cliff after the Whyte fight, cherry-picking, fake retirements. Ngannou was more enough to write him off as a bum-level guy before 2024 even. Sorry, maybe that takes the shine of your favourite Usyk (in terms of the Fury wins anyway), but it's the truth.
     
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  12. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you were there at the time, this win by Fury was unbelievable.
    Wlad as unstoppable in this period and Fury wasn't a puncher.
    Everyone thought Fury was getting flattened.
    Even half way through the fight, when Banks was starting to panic, everyone thought Fury was getting caught eventually. Wlad himself thought that, explaining that he couldn't believe Fury didn't slow down and expected him to. Of course he tried using the squishy canvas to make that happen before it was scuttled.
    So the manner of the victory might not have been memorable but it was an amazing win. And probably only Fury could have done it at the time.
    And the lack of action was also Wlad's fault because he wouldn't let his hands go without landing jabs. Fury likes to counter punch so it also meant he did throw much. But Wlad was not throwing enough because Fury was too hard to time.
    People need to stop blaming Fury for the lack of punches in this fight because Wlad was just waiting for the perfect shot all night and why should Fury risk getting KO'd when he was winning the rounds point fighting. He had a knife in a gun fight.
     
  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Again neither have I said that
     
  14. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Good win - yes.
    Unexpected - yes.

    Equally...
    Godawful ugly fight to watch - yes.
    Closer than many will admit - yes.

    And also plagued with asterisks... The failure to man up and rematch, the questions around Wlads condition and MH, the fact Wlad was desperate to rematch (especially in context of Wlad being the one to decline the AJ rematch)... It all detracts.
     
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