Boxers who were known as sparring partner's in the beginning of their career.

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Didn't Jeannette also train him for Dempsey ? If I dont get answers I'll have to check in with a senior authority ! ;)
     
  2. Historical boxing society

    Historical boxing society New Member Full Member

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    I spent 20 hours researching every paper in the data bank. It doesn't show up in print. Link or source or it's useless. All the words utter from the next day he says nothing to backup this...He say's father time beat him if he was young it would of been another story...That hardly sounds like a man convinced he couldn't win. No one seems to wanna actual quote what he said correctly. Through the papers the entire week NOT a mention that he would never beat him...so why waste time on "some mystery" and take what he really said. I'm not trying to debate..I have no interest in this subject. Read the box rec thread the original source is identified.
     
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  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    At that point Witherspoon was taking it easy on him, that’s what I’ve heard.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    No , but he was one of 3 sparring partners Carpentier employed for the fight,the other 2 were Paul Journee and Panama Joe Gans.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Joe Louis is best remembered as a sparring partner of Jersey Joe Walcott, could never really shake that reputation nor the fear JJW invoked in him during both there two bouts from the gym thrashings he got.
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You have enough inaccuracies in your OP to be going on with.
     
  7. Macedoine62

    Macedoine62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  8. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All the evidence points to this.

    Jeffries even prime Jeffries wasn't that good and maybe 1904 Jack beats him maybe he doesn't. If he does he would not be the only one though. Jeffries resume in 1904 was incredibly dated. Perception and reality were incredibly divorced there.
     
  9. Historical boxing society

    Historical boxing society New Member Full Member

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    It's okay I'm not the thought police. Think whatever you please.
    I have my source's from the newspapers...I have clipping's of each of the facts. I'm a researcher. Just like you found Griffin sparred with Fitz the rest can be discovered too with some searching. I'm not here to fight. I'm here to discover new information. Learning should never end of any of us. There's always more to know..
     
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  10. Steve Fero

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    Walcott was touted to be the black fighter that the black management with the underworld ties hence the connections to actually get a black fighter a shot at the heavy title in spite of soft color line that was in place. It was then decided that Louis was actually the prospect they were going with. So you see how the color line manifested itself. Walcott didn’t have a chance to get a title shot didn’t have strong opportunity therefore his career didn’t have the focus and consistent training it could have had. Had he been selected he probably would have been the champion maybe like Louis or maybe not as long. But instead he had an inconsistent career until after WW 2 when the color line came down and next thing you know he’s beating everyone gets the title shot and beats Louis but is robbed. Then everyone says oh he peaked at 37. No he didn’t he never had the opportunity earlier and didn’t develop and train at the same level. Maybe he had to take some dives or take fights on short notice etc. with fighters he would have beaten if he had better management.
     
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  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    It';s clearly a huge history ... I was reading about the Johnson Ketchel fight and Gunboat Smith worked as sparring partners for both men ... the list goes on and on .. Jack Johnson worked as a sparring partner for Barbados Joe and later Tom Sharkey . We all know Foreman was a sparring partner for Liston. Walcott for Louis. Holmes for Ali. That's just off the top of my head ... it goes on and on ...
     
  12. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Pretty sure Luis Ortiz was a primary sparring partner for a young Bob Fitzsimmons early into his career
     
  13. Historical boxing society

    Historical boxing society New Member Full Member

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    Hahaha He's still looking for more fights!
     
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  14. Saintpat

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    The Sonny Liston-Jem Mace sparring sessions were legendary, but a lot of people thought Sonny was starting to slow down by this point due to his advanced age.
     
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  15. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm still waiting for a video tape of the infamous Harry Greb vs Luis Ortiz with Sonny Liston working Ortiz's corner.
     
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