Crawford doesn't think Pacquiao was legit

As far as disrespect toward fighters goes, isn’t it Crawford who is displaying same toward an irrefutable past ATG?

So much for the due and deferential respect that fighters used to show in respect of their predecessors.

 

Yeah, that died with Floyd, along with consistently fighting the best opposition possible..

Floyd really hasn’t done the sport any favors with how hes influenced the next crop of American fighters.. Very bad mentalities on average.

Big reason I hate comparing these guys to people like Oscar and Shane who had more losses, but they challenged themselves consistently without stipulations or bull****…

 

Well said and totally agree.

 

I am not a famous professional boxer though I also think Manny juiced. The triangle foundation for fighters is speed, power, and endurance. Almost always, one comes at the expense of the others because different muscle types are used to achieve each. This has been true pretty much since the existence of boxing...then comes along Manny in 2007-2011 where his output, power, and speed all increased simultaneously as he entered his 6th, 7th, and 8th weight classes. Not to mention, when offered what would have been the biggest fight at that time, Manny initially refused PED drug tests then required a cutoff date...and some of the general public bought that nonsense.

Manny was cool, a fun fighter, but its highly likely that he cheated. He achieved what pretty much no other boxer had done in the history of the sport. It simply doesnt make sense and appeared every bit unnatural.

 

I would be bitter too. Manny’s people did not want him with Crawford.

 

At this point in his life and career he really shouldn’t be salty that he didn’t get to beat on old man Manny and had to fight great fighters from his own generation instead.

Horn and Ugas got wins over Manny when he was washed, and what legacy do they have? It’s beating the likes of Shawn Porter and Errol Spence that built Crawford the legacy that he has now. He had to take a hard road, but it made him the best of his generation.

Now he’s standing where Manny was back then, so let’s see what he does. Is he gonna get in with young killers like Virgil and Boots? I seriously doubt it, and I’m not gonna hold that against him.

 

!st, let me point out, he's not salty.... He gets asked about Manny and he answers it. He's not carrying some grudge and campaigning against his legacy.

2nd, the issue that I have with your statement is, that many REFUSE to give Crawford any credit for beating the best of his generation. They continuously compare his opposition to the era in which even Manny wasn't active in (the 4 Kings era). Manny was a high level opponent and a world title holder whom happened to be on the same promotional company as Crawford at the time Crawford was gunning for him. You saying Manny was washed when he fought Horn, yet he won a world title after that lost against an undefeated Keith Thurman. Lost to Ugas but came back 4 years later to beat Mario Barrios. And he just so happens to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when he finally decides to leave the sport for good. The issue is that though Crawford showcased he is hands down, full strides ahead of his peers in today's game, he is still lacking the respect of greatness that he deserves from far too many fans.

-Shawn Porter had a dog fight with Spence, never had any injury that took him from the sport, stayed active, and had plans on moving up to 154/60 and/or rematch vs Thurman, Spence, or Ugas before he was mandated to fight Crawford. He even guaranteed he would win via stoppage. Doubled down on that guarantee the week of the fight. Crawford goes in and stops him, then everyone claims Porter was a shell of himself, he was worn down from the Spence fight, he was old.......old......at 32.....forget the fact that Crawford was a month older.....lol.

-Errol Spence Jr was called out by Crawford before Crawford had his first 147 bout simply because Spence was being labeled THE BOOGIE MAN..... He openly said that if he's the Boogie Man, then let me fight him. Every excuse in the book was thrown out as to why the fight can't happen. Spence fights a guy who was 2 divisions smaller in Mikey Garcia....... He gets drunk and speeds through a neighborhood flipping his car, got zero major injuries reported from that situation, which was a miracle in itself. Fights Danny Garcia & Ugas. His fans are labeling him a superhero saying a car accident can't stop him from being elite.... Claimed he was going to break Crawford. He was going to "smoke Bud".........But when he fought Crawford......the energy changed. His body was broken down. He was drained, etc......

Crawford couldn't get a break no matter who he fought in each generation. A fight with Manny could have changed hat status. The difference between Crawford and Horn or Ugas who fought and beat Manny, is that Crawford is accomplished. He was a p4p ranked opponent. He was a multi-division champ and Lineal. He had accolades that would have been an addition to having a win over Manny. That would have given Crawford a status that Horn and Ugas couldn't get. Beyond that win over Manny, what else has those 2 done?

As far as Crawford fighting the young guns in Boots and Vergil...... neither of them wanted to fight Crawford because both had multiple opportunities to do so and chose not to. Vergil was Crawford's mandatory for 2 years. Was offered the fight by the WBO....he (or Oscar) refused to activate the mandatory status, thus the WBO bumped him down and made Shawn Porter the mandatory, who looked like he wasn't in a rush to fight Crawford either so the WBO mandated the fight. Boots.......he was offered the Crawford fight 3 different times. 2 of them were official offers to negotiate. The WBO contacted Boots camp regarding a match up before going to David Avaneysan. Thriller reps reached out to Steven Espinosa in regards to a Crawford/Ennis match up and he shot it down. Crawford's camp personal inquired about a match up with Boots camp........ Bozy, Boots father/trainer, confirmed all this and explained why they decided not to have the fight "just yet".....Claimed loyalty to Showtime (ironically, that was the platform Crawford had his Spence fight on being that Crawford was a free agent). Crawford gave the "young killers" opportunities that they did not want with him. I would label them killers until I see them actually do something that suggest they are elite threats in the sport. Both Boots and Ortiz have shown struggles vs lesser competition that they should have if they are supposed to be elite. At least Ortiz attempts to fight better competition. Ennis is mastering the art of cherry picking opponents that help him to look good in the ring. Look at his opponent last night........

 

The Crawford who fought Spence would've beaten any version of Pacquiao like he owed him money.

 

It's a valid point. It wasn't as if Pacquiao was only fighting a murderers row of elite boxers or granite chinned guys after the drug test accusation, he had plenty of opportunities to win some KOs or stoppages and they just didn't happen anymore outside of Mathyse. It was rather odd considering how he was able to walk through the punches of guys like Cotto or Hatton before proceeding to beat them within an inch of their lives. Power is the last thing to go, and that went away faster than a dead beat dad leaving for milk.

 

If I genuinely think one of my predecessors was a repeat offending cheater, why would I give them their flowers and show respect? I'm not saying Bud is correct, but that wouldn't make sense for him to be respectful of Pac if he believes he cheated.

 

I don't think Crawford would've beaten any version of Pacquiao easily. The one that knocked Hatton out in 2 rounds would've been a nightmare for Crawford.

 

Pac re signed with Top Rank for his next fight.

ball is in Bud’s court.

 

I hear you Cobe.

However, does he really think or, at least, does he believe that PAC is the only guy to be deemed likely of “cheating”.

There are several equally weighted accusations circulating re Mayweather as having “cheated”.

If that’s the applied standard, there’s more than several eras worth of fighters who could have similar shade cast upon them.

 

Gamboa hurt him. Gamboa was a discount Pac. Gamboa was able to take some shots and his chin wasn't great. Gamboa was an absolute midget. Pac can beat Crawford.

A straight left from Pac on the chin would have Crawford dancing.

 

Funny coming from a guy that jumped up 3 weight classes and still looked extremely lean while retaining his speed, power, and endurance. And to top it all off, he did this when he’s nearing 40.