Prime Roy Jones jr vs Joe Louis

Look Roy would be a challenging match up especially if he caught an over trained one like Conn did the first time but he could also catch one like John Henry Lewis did ... that said Joe was very fast, has terrific speed of his own and would be too much ...

 

RJJ learned his trade against Art Serwano and Ron Amundsen. Conn was a kid with no amateur background fighting Zivic, Kreiger, and Apostoli. RJJ saw McClellan get hurt and got gun shy and turned down everybody but Richard Hall.
There is no way on this planet that RJJ could fight the fight that Conn fought against Louis in that first fight; he never developed those skills. Against Louis he is suddenly going to learn how to move masterfully? He never had to fight that way in his career. He will not win exchanges against Louis because in every exchange he will get hit and it will hurt him every single time.
Ruiz is not Joe Louis. Roy might run but that isn't his nature and Louis will trap him and crush him; if RJJ is 'winning' up to that point it would only because Louis took his time.
The Louis jab would make him react every single time. If you think that he is going to toy with Louis like Tony Thornton, you are delusional. Louis would use his jab- one of the best in hw history- to move Jones around the ring. Conn's movement nullified a lot of that, until it didn't, and Conn took some shots throughout that fight that I don't believe that Jones would take and Jones didn't know how to move like that. The Louis jab will make him do things.

 

Honestly… Louis MIGHT be the most skilled guy Jones ever fought, should he be shrunk down to fight Jones at 175lbs it’d still be a good fight.

 

I’ll add that Louis was very adept at punching with opponents and would take every chance to with Jones when he gets hesitant, it’d put him in a shell and the jab would break him down and finally into a corner where… the second Louis gets inside it’s also basically over, it’s basically look like when Tarver walked through him but much more “calm” in Joes way.

 

If Roy can come in at least 190 in his prime my money is on him. Too fast athletic and skilled. He didn’t get stopped till he was like 34 so don’t see this bad jaw thing. Louis never saw this type of speed and skill. Closest would be Charles who beat a Louis not as quite as old as the version Marciano faced but beat him badly. Louis certainly has a chance to get him with his great combinations and power. My money is on Roy one the best pound for pound ever.

 

The thing that I don't like for Roy is that even at his best, he sometimes manages to find himself on ropes, turning his head away from oncoming traffic. Typically, you can find him doing so and bracing for impact with eyes closed - against a puncher who can hit like Louis, can triple his hook and uppercut with little room or rechambering required, it's a cardinal sin.

Roy doesn't have an Ali, Foreman or Tyson chin, when he gets caught and I have no doubt that he will eventually get caught, it's a genuine concern for his long term health.

Roy wouldn't realistically take the fight; visiting G-Man did something to Roy's psyche that would be his worst enemy in a fight with Joe Louis.

 

This fight will be like a remake of Amir Khan vs Canelo, Joe Louis by KO in 5 rounds.

 

Lol

 

So a 169 Conn or 174 Conn is faster than RJJ and hits harder? RJJ at SMW was bigger than Conn and certainly at light heavyweight he'd be larger and more powerful. And I don’t think Zivic, Apostoli and Kreiger would be too high of a mountain to climb for RJJ who dominated Toney and Hopkins.

I think Louis would stop Jones, but Jones certainly hit hard and fast enough to stop Louis in his tracks. Also, a light heavyweight RJJ would have been a heavyweight in the 1930s and 1940s. And he would have been one of the top heavyweights while also simultaneously being the light heavyweight champion if he so desired to do both.

 

RJJ isn't nearly as good as John Henry Lewis and look what Louis did to him.

Years after losing his power Louis outpointed Bivins 7-3. They both were both a bit past it but Bivins was younger then Louis by like 5 years. I think prime Louis would have knocked out prime Bivins fairly easy. And Bivins is really the best case scenario if you put RJJ into the 40s.

RJJ isn't knocking Louis out and before Louis lost his power in 46/47 I just don't see how RJJ survives a full fight with Joe Louis.

 

H2H Roy would surely be above Lewis.

Don't see why he couldn't stop Louis. His kayo of Hill is an incredible display of power

 

Lennox Lewis??

 

John Henry Lewis

Evan if you disagree it seems like a strange argument because so many Louis opponents did better than Lewis and clearly guys like Braddock Galento etc were not better than Jones

 

Thank you.