Who is better P4P? Usyk or Mayweather?

Because he's sorting his roid cycle out right now and Saudi money is on hold till next year. He isn't fighting either for chump change off cycle.

 

What about the other factors I mentioned,just conveniently ignore them ?

 

Pbf never failed a drug test
Pbf canelo was at 152 only 2 pounds under the 154 limit and there was no rehydration clauses.
Pbf was lineal in 2 weightclasses simultaneously which was 147 and 154 and was clearly the best fighter at those weights and beat the best fighter at those weights.
Pbf also moved up from 130 was lineal there 135 was lineal there 147 was lineal there and 154 and was lineal there. The only weight class he didnt achieve that in was 140 because Hatton ducked pbf after he schooled gatti there. Pbf fought and schooled bigger men as well.
Fighting overseas made no sense for pbf because he fought in Vegas the mecca of boxing. Why in the hell would he need to fight in someone else's backyard when they all wanted to come and fight there for more money. If usyk was American best believe he never would've left Vegas either.

I adressed your points now address mine.

 

Ok
PBF never failed a drug test,neither did Lance Armstrong,PBF will be the next Lance Armstrong (bookmark this post)
PBF retired to get out the ODLH rematch
PBF swerved Margarito Williams Tszyu Martinez Pac Man
Catch weight fights Canelo Marquez (still came in over paid a fine)
Gloves forced Maidana to wear gloves with extra padding (rumoured 1.5 million to do so)
He fought in Las Vegas as he had everybody in his pocket inc NSAC USADA
PAC Man's Team suggested a 5 million fine if either fighter tested positive for peds,Mayweather’s Team declined
https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-ped-report-further-clouds-mayweathers-legacy
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...banned-substances-before-manny-pacquiao-fight

 

When it comes to Floyd this guy ignores all context and rationality

 

Sure. Anyone can nitpick stuff. But the fact remains that Usyk never had all of the advantages and dirty tricks that Mayweather enjoyed throughout his career. Usyk never drained opponents, never dragged opponents up in weight, never received dodgy decisions, fought in hostile territory constantly. You want to bring up Pac? Pac started fighting at 100 lbs lmao, Mayweather started fighting at 130. The average low IQ ***** still fails to grasp that he was just p4p far more impressive. Their own fight doesn't negate any of that. It was hardly decisive enough to where one could go "oh Floyd always had his number" it was a dull fight that the marathon runner nicked on points.

Also lmao at you saying anyone has an agenda when you're going around liking all of gimp cs fanboy comments aka the biggestflomo on the forum.

 

When it comes to who actually beat better fighters you ignore all context and rationality. No fighter usyk beat is better than cotto canelo or pac those are absolute facts. I can also add Oscar jmm and Mosley to that list as well. Chico and Hatton have an argument for being better than anyone usyk beat as well.

 

Like I said you ignore context all those guys (apart from Chico) were either past it or compromised and you know it.

 

Difference is pbf was cleared while Lance wasn't. So try again.
Pbf retired because oscar wanted the lions share of the purse and pbf wasnt having it so he told oscar to go **** himself. Even still pbf beat oscar 9-3 or 8-4 at worst the fight wasnt even worthy of a rematch in the 1st place.

Floyd didnt duck that bum stop the myth.
Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

Sounds like a bargain to me especially when considering pbf got like $40 million to fight cotto and $25 million to fight oscar. Arum once again was full of **** and lowballed pbf. What's even funnier as soon as cotto left Arum the fight was made.

Pbf called out Tszyu on multiple times after his fights in the ring. At the end of the day pbf was an HBO fighter and Tszyu was with showtime so neither fighter was big enough to warrant a cross promotion fight. Also Tszyu quit on his stool against Hatton so he didnt even stick around after that.

Pbf ducking pac is the biggest lie that was ever told in boxing mostly by haters and people like you who weren't even following the sport back then just repeating things they heard other haters say over the years. Too bad for you I saw it all. It was pac who turned down pbf during the very first negotiations because of blood testing with no cutoff those are absolute facts. He pulled out of talks and ran off to fight clottey a fight no one wanted while pbf fought p4p#3 Mosley a nice consolation prize.

A fight with Sergio Martinez was never even talked about the man went to mw after losing to Williams so stop

Williams lost to Quintana rematched him and moved up stop you're reaching

Pbf was wrong about not making weight against jmm I'll give you that one

Canelo called pbf out and hes the bigger man 154 isn't pbfs best weight so he wanted a catchweight of 152 also canelo weighed in at 153 for his previous fight so big deal. Pbf was also old and faded taking on the next face of boxing it was supposed to be a passing of the torch fight but that didnt happen. Pbf won schooling him with ease.

Pbf was A side he wanted those gloves so he dictated terms to Maidana it's that simple.

He fought in Vegas because that's where all the big money fights were at oscar fought there canelo fought there so did pac srl hearns I could go on and on how many times did oscar srl or hearns fight outside of the us??? I'll wait for your answer.

 

Fury was compromised fat and drug addicted
AJ a no talent body builder as you and so many others have stated for years. Now all of sudden he's a atg win. Even though he hadnt done **** in years.
Briedis is a quality operator but no great fighter not even hof level
The rest of the guys on his resume really aren't even worth talking about yet he's somehow better than pbf who has a stacked resume. If pbf had Usyk's resume and Usyk had pbfs no one here on this Usyk loving forum would even entertain a debate about pbf being better than usyk. They would think it was a troll thread because of how ridiculous it would be to even suggest it. I learned a long time ago that this place has no credibility and people here never keep it real because of irrational hate this thread and the aftermath of Crawford beating canelo and the way posters here like you tried to downplay it was par for the course round here.

 

I have never called AJ a no talent bodybuilder.
This place has more credibility than any other boxing website. If you think it has none why have you been here for 20 years?
You just repeat yourself about resume and continue to ignore context.
If you actually read my opening post I said that Usyk and Mayweather are the same level. What's not to love about Usyk?
I think it is a fair debate both are great fighters and to say one is better than the other is not ridiculous. You think that everybody who disagrees with you is a hater you are not capable of a mature debate.

 

In no ****ing universe but here is usyk better than pbf not with that resume. Hell I wouldn't even say he was better than guys like hopkins or rjj if we're talking p4p top 100 lists. Both of them are more accomplished and beat better fighters. Usyk being undisputed at CW and HW is really his only big selling point because of how weak his resume is. calzaghe another great fighter had a weak resume but atleast he beat hopkins a legit atg. Now that I think about it im not even sure id rate usyk over calzaghe. Hmmmmm!!!!

 

I just googled who is greater Mayweather or Usyk and this is what came back.

There is no consensus on who is greater, as Floyd Mayweather is often considered greater for his undefeated record, multi-division titles, and longevity, while Oleksandr Usyk is praised for his achievements in larger weight classes and facing tougher challenges. Mayweather's greatness is often attributed to his undefeated record and skill, but Usyk's wins at heavyweight and cruiserweight are seen by some as more impressive feats due to the significant size advantage he overcame. Ultimately, the debate depends on the criteria used to measure greatness.
Arguments for Floyd Mayweather

• Undefeated record:
  Mayweather retired with a perfect 50-0 record, a feat unmatched in the modern era.
• Multi-division champion:
  He won world titles in five different weight classes, from super featherweight to light middleweight.
• Longevity and consistent dominance:
  He was a dominant force for many years, consistently beating top opponents throughout his career.

Arguments for Oleksandr Usyk

• Unifying the cruiserweight division:
  Usyk is the only cruiserweight to hold all four major world titles simultaneously and is celebrated for achieving this by winning fights in his opponents' home countries.
• Stepping up to heavyweight:
  He has successfully moved to the heavyweight division, a much larger weight class than Mayweather ever competed in, and defeated top heavyweights.
• Challenging opponents:
  He has a reputation for seeking out the most difficult challenges and consistently faces the best fighters available to him.

Why it's a debate

• Weight class difference:
  Comparing a lighter fighter like Mayweather to a heavyweight like Usyk is difficult. Usyk's wins over much larger opponents are seen by some as a greater accomplishment, while Mayweather's dominance in his own weight classes is seen as a different kind of greatness.
• Skill vs. physicality:
  Mayweather is often hailed for his defensive skill and reflexes, while Usyk is recognized for his all-around skills, including knockout power and stamina, in a heavier division.
• Different eras and legacies:
  Both fighters have achieved great things in their respective eras. It is a matter of personal opinion and the criteria one prioritizes whether to weigh Mayweather's undefeated record more heavily or Usyk's success against much larger fighters.

 

I don't know @Pimp C that well we've barely had any interactions but there's nothing that he's said in this thread that is unreasonable.

He said Usyk is a top 35 ATG and Mayweather is more like a top 15 ATG which I think is objectively a very fair comment. He said Mayweather has beaten far more HOF fighters and has a more vast resume against notable opponents which is again objectively fair.

People get too wrapped up in Mayweather being an unlikeable personality and they let that cloud their judgement because Usyk has a much more likable personality. But this isn't a popularity contest we are rating both fighters on their resumes and achievements.

I'll copy and paste what i said earlier I don't see any metric where Usyk would be rated above Mayweather in the all time P4P rankings.

World title wins.

Mayweather has won twice as many world title fights.

Mayweather at 26.

Usyk at 13.

Wins vs top 10 P4P fighters.

Mayweather beat 6 or 7 ? Top 10 P4P fighters.

Usyk has beaten 0.

Resume

Mayweather has a better resume.

Mayweathers best wins

Pacquiao
ODLH
Canelo
JMM
Hatton
Cotto
Corrales
Castillo x2
Mosley
Maidana x2
G.Hernandez
Gatti
Judah
Berto
Ortiz
Guerrero
Manfredy


Usyk's best wins

Fury x2
Joshua x2
Dubois x2
Chisora
Briedis
Gassiev
Hunter
Bellew
Glowacki
Huck

 

Usyk is better PFP.

He’s also a better ambassador of the sport By far.