Comeback Foreman Beats Tua ?

Leaning towards the idea of probably not but I selected not sure on the poll

 

I think a big difference between that Lewis and the old Foreman was speed, which was clearly evident in their fights against Briggs. Tua was one-dimensional and not a very fast fighter, but he was faster than the old Foreman, and that could have been decisive. It would have been an interesting match between two fighters with hands of stone and jaws of steel. I'd say Tua on points after a close fight.

 

I understand what you're saying and objectively Tua is better than Stewart but here's a few things to consider.

Stewart fought on the backfoot after being dropped twice and he was also 6'3 with a 78 inch reach.

Tua is 5'10 with only a 70 inch reach and he cannot fight on the backfoot.

Tua could be befuddled by a good jab and he could sometimes shell up in fights for long periods.

I think Tua would have problems with Foremans jab who would also push him off. And I'd be curious to see how willing Tua would be to engage after taking some ramrod jabs and solid power punches.

Because whilst Tua did objectively have a good chin he could as I said shell up in fights or just plod forward with no real purpose.

 

Bingo. Stewart and Tua are complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Nothing alike. You and Fergy have it pegged already.

 

70s Foreman’s basically his best shot at beating an “ATG” from that era and onwards because he didn’t use his jab. 80s Foreman would have an easier time with Tua and Lyle. Frazier would outclass DT IMO.

 

Is this the Foreman that fought Cooney, Holyfield, and Rodriguez? Or Shulz, Grimsley, and Briggs? Best version of both I think Foreman wins a decision when Tua decides to play it safe like others have mentioned.

 

Foreman was going to come back in 2002 just to fight Tua as an individual because he thought he'd still beat him. Maybe it was to get a leg up on Moorer since Tua killed Moorers comeback.

Anyhow 90s Foreman should win.

When looking at Foremans struggles in his final fights you got to remember Briggs, Savarese and even Grimsley are pretty huge. Tua is the sort of opponent Foreman was using to get rust off early in his comeback.

 

70s Foreman used his jab plenty of times, against pretty much any top level opponent he faced with the exception of Ali.

Lyle definitely does better against an 80s Foreman than he would against a pre-Ali 70s Foreman, he was literally jabbing and circling around Foreman like Ali in the first round and avoiding exchanges, it was only Foreman's tentativeness and fear of gassing out at the time that gave Lyle the confidence to come forward and catch him with that humongous right hand. Even then he lasted a grand total of 3 rounds before getting TKO'd. 80s Foreman only fought with a top opponent if they were smaller guys that focused on speed and point-fighting, and if they happened to have a big punch he made sure they were at least easy to hurt. Lyle hit hard and wasn't an easy man to hurt either, not sure if he can beat 80s Foreman but it wouldn't be a fight he'd be eager to take at all. Maybe he could do better against Tua as Tua would get trapped behind his high guard from the jabs and just plod around after catching the first right hand, but with 70s Foreman at least he can hope the man gasses out late.

Glad you think Frazier wins though.

 

Great fight. I can see George using the jab to win a razor thin decision.

 

I am going to use Tua of the Rahman fight vs Foreman of the Moorer fight.

Power Maybe even? Both hit like trucks
Hand speed Tua
Chin Again, maybe even granite chins
Defense Foreman
Timing Foreman
Accuracy Foreman
Stamina Tua
Killer instinct Even
Combinations Tua
Body shots Foreman
Ring IQ Foreman
Footwork Tua

5-3-4 advantage Foreman

This seems close on paper, but it really isn't. Although both guys were big, tough, and hit like Mule kicks, Foreman has the edge in reach and height and knew how to bully shorter fighters. The thing about Foreman's jab is he didn't merely spam recklessly, as an older fighter he learned to time it and measure his opponents really well before firing with a good sense of distance. You will simply not find a lot of footage of 90's Foreman missing a whole lot of jabs and he had a good connection percentage despite being very slow of hand.

In addition, Foreman never abandoned a lot of the framing and pushing tactics he used in his youth, he simply became a bit more sophisticated and smarter with it combining the roughness with smart textbook boxing. The biggest problem for Tua is that he cannot fight backing up, can't really use lateral movement all that well, and would have to bring the fight to a tank of a man who just can't wait to land a big uppercut as Tua attempts to get inside or a solid hook to the kidney or ribs as we saw with guys like Qawi and Cooper. Foreman would kill Tua's momentum forcing him to reset over and over never able to get into a groove and set his feet for those sharp hooks and combinations.

I don't think there's any universe where Tua could box his way to a clean decision against Foreman, he had neither the tools nor the smarts to overcome all these disparities and this ugly clash of styles. As for winning by a potential stoppage, the only way that could happen would be if Tua was willing to grit his teeth, walk through fire, and do everything in his power to try to land enough bombs on Big George. Considering how he hid in his shell against Lewis, I don't think Tua would have it in him. Foreman would've probably resorted to either going in his own shell, then bumping Tua with his arms to open him up and land a huge punch, or he'd be fine with slugging it out with Tua. In which case, it's entirely possible Tua is the one worse off considering the size difference.

I would say Foreman wins a decision, maybe 7 rounds to 5. This fight probably wouldn't be all that exciting outside of a few rounds and a few key moments when Tua is willing to actually go for it.

 

Yea I think the best version of Foreman could beat Tua. Probably from the Holyfield fight. George's 2nd career last pretty long. From '87 to "97. The very old version lost some zip each year it seemed.
From "89 to '91 He could make David Tua go in reverse. Once he does that Tua would have no plan b. I dont see David moving and boxing like Alex Stewart did.

 

Yes.

 

Comeback Foreman would have never faced Tua unless if it was for a title.
The only reasonable time period where they could have fought is 1995-1997, and Foreman had slowed down a lot by this point.
I think Tua stops him.