would lennox lewis go undefeated if he fought today

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  1. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I don't think he would, but I don't think it would be Usyk and Fury that beat him, it would be someone like Zhang.
     
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  2. TNSNO1878

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    The only challenge is Usyk; he decapitates Dubois, Wilder, Fury, and Joshua on the same night. Someone like Golota would be a nightmare in this current crop and would cause considerable problems to Wilder, Fury, and Joshua, never mind Lennox. Don't get it twisted, this current generation is not a scratch on the '90s. Wilder has no jab and can't fight on the back foot; Fury nearly lost to Ngannou. Lennox came out on top in an era full of killers, amateur and pro, he's on a totally different level.
     
  3. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think if he came in underprepared for any of them then he could get tagged, he only had problems when he didn’t prepare himself properly, personally I think he beats them all his jab on its day was as good as any and enough to keep any of them at range.
    I think even the fringe 10 ten were better back then too, tua, Rahman, Ruiz, McCall.
    These guys were all better than the likes of Andy Ruiz, Zhang, Parker, Ortiz, Joyce.
    Outsiders beat the champions more often back then, when was the last real heavyweight upset, Joshua’s against Ruiz that was an anomaly.
    Lewis had two himself, Rahman and McCall.
    They also took more to beat.
    So Lewis could be beat by anyone from any era if he wasn’t focused, but if he was on his a game I don’t think any of them would have had a chance.
     
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  4. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It depends how much he fights.

    Lennox DID start 25-0 and 38-1. Wlad started 24-0 and 40-1. This is better then virtually everyone today except Wilder and we all know why Wilder went over 40-0. Both Lennox and Wlad are maligned for their inconsistancy and act like Usyk, Fury and others have something over them while they really don't.

    Losing to McCall, Rahman, Sanders, Brewster and Puritty are 5 of the 7 deadly sins. But getting dropped by Francis Ngannou twice is no big deal. The guys who beat Lennox and Wlad are really "journeymen". But Chisora whose consistantly had the most losses in the top 200 often by a 2-1 margin is not a journeyman. And yeah Chisora also almost beat the 2nd best fighter but if al it takes to lose a 0 is one fight and Usyk has lost 5,5,5,4,4 rounds in 5 of his last 7 fights. Hes substantially more likely to lose then Lennox ever was.
     
  5. Redbeard7

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    He got one-shotted twice by otherwise unexceptional contenders so the probability is he wouldn't based on that alone. People try to turn the likes of Rahman into killers but his conquerors J. Ruiz and Maskaev wouldn't be top guys today either.

    Lewis fought one low level southpaw/switch hitting journeyman in his career, who he took 5 rounds to get rid of. He'd be unprepared for Usyk, who is too intelligent, fit and durable.
     
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  6. Rick’s Piano

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    lewis had some off nights so could he get chinned at some point? yeah but he'd win on the rematch.

    Usyks the only real challenge of this era for lewis. fury in his prime might take lewis a fair few rounds to figure him out but i'd see fury getting knocked out cold.
     
  7. Redbeard7

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    Lewis and Wlad fought their fair share of bums on the way up. The first 24 guys Wlad beat for instance were typical pre-Stiverne Wilder opponents.

    "Usyk has lost 5,5,5,4,4 rounds in 5 of his last 7 fights"

    This makes it even more impressive as Usyk's had to overcome biased scorecards several times.

    Even on the official scorecards he beat Joshua and Fury 29 rounds to 19, with Joshua being a clear A-side in both fights and Fury being a clear A-side in fight 1.

    "Hes substantially more likely to lose then Lennox ever was."

    Reality check: Lewis got plonkered twice.
     
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  8. ElCyclon

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    Not a big Lewis fan but I wish he was around today just so Usyk would continue to prove how great he is.
     
  9. HistoryZero26

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    First off I was wrong Usyk dropped 6 rounds in Fury I.

    "This makes it even more impressive as Usyk's had to overcome biased scorecards several times."

    So let me get this straight
    Coming closer to losing makes it more impressive because the judges are rigged?
    If he beats someone more easily its more impressive?

    Well thats circular logic.

    The round count is the "majority opinion". It doesn't count the most pro Joshua/Fury scorecard.

    "Even on the official scorecards he beat Joshua and Fury 29 rounds to 19"

    Yeah you added the margins of all 4 fights. 19/4. Thats 4.75 rounds a fight he lost against AJ and Fury.

    "Reality check: Lewis got plonkered twice."
    Lennox avenged both his losses. He beat every single fighter he fought.

    "The first 24 guys Wlad beat for instance were typical pre-Stiverne Wilder opponents."

    Wlad has more quality wins at HW then Usyk has total fights. Lennox has about the same number of quality wins at HW as Usyk has total fights.
     
  10. The Cryptkeeper

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    You are a terrible troll.
     
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  11. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it’s important to note that some fighters don’t necessarily lose rounds rather they sacrifice them to figure out their opponent, that is why you see the pattern you have mentioned.
    Usyk is certainly a fighter who does that, so to say that he lost those rounds is true on paper, but isn’t in fact the case.
    All the best fighters are so supremely confident in their abilities that they spend the majority of the early rounds to figure out their opponent and find their rhythm.
    This also means that their opponent is more often than not using more energy and getting overconfident, which makes them more susceptible to tiring in the later rounds, allowing someone like Usyk to impose themselves and dominate in the more crucial stages of the fight.
    So if you want to say that Usyk lost all those rounds you stated then you should also acknowledge that it is a fact that he was actually using those rounds tactically to figure out his opponent, it was calculated rather than being bettered by his opponent.
     
  12. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don’t understand how you can say that Usyk is substantially more likely to lose than Lennox, when Usyk is undefeated and Lewis lost twice, this makes no sense.
    I do think that Lewis would beat Usyk but I don’t think usyk would have lost to the fighters that beat Lewis, and that is because Usyk is switched on for the full fight and he has a way of staying out of range and when he does get hit he’s not flat footed and he barely gets hit flush, that’s not the case for Lewis.
    I like that you tried to not label chisora as a journeyman and I want to agree with you but the truth is he’s never been in a title fight that he had a chance of winning and in fact they were both voluntary title defences, one against vitalli and one against fury, he was chosen because he was a credible opponent but was low risk, and that is exactly what makes him a journeyman.
    He is the greatest journeyman of all time though
     
  13. Third_Brotha

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    He would probably go undefeated today but it would depend on his focus.
     
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  15. Arch Stanton

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    The only reason he lost like he did to who he did was because of a lack of focus.

    If he was around today he'd still have that possible trait I think. Maybe even more so.