would lennox lewis go undefeated if he fought today

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  1. Third_Brotha

    Third_Brotha New Member Full Member

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    I disagree. Rahman I'll take that but McCall, a focused McCall was a problem. He is lucky McCall had the mental breakdown in theit rematch.
     
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  2. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    McCall never had a mental breakdown when he lost to Bruno., far from it. He just lost...


    McCall got lucky against Lewis the first time. He had a terrible, terrible night the 2nd time.

    But I agree that an on-form and focussed McCall is a handful.
     
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  3. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "I don’t understand how you can say that Usyk is substantially more likely to lose than Lennox, when Usyk is undefeated and Lewis lost twice, this makes no sense."

    Most of this is the same for Wlad

    Lennox fought more than Usyk.
    Lennox won a much higher percentage of his rounds
    Lennox knocked down his opponents more often which means he is harder to outpint
    Lennoxs KO rate is 16 points higher than Usyks overall and in total fights the difference is greater.

    Chisora is an EBU/Commonwealth double champion whose gotten multiple title shots he can't be a journeyman. In the early 2010s he was a great regional fighter who even had a case to be ranked. Might have been the best of Vitalis WBC title* opponents. Someone else like him would be viewed for what they are. The problem is hes in a 10 year cycle where he doesn't get punished for losing but gets rewarded for doing well against guys who are ranked high(who want to fight him) which keeps the cycle going. If a fighter keeps failing upwards they will lose. Chisora doesn't have 13 losses because he is so much worse then the guys with -5 its just he keeps getting farmed.

    Honestly if you know the name of a boxer they probably aren't a journeyman. Journeymen are guys who don't win stuff whose record is near .500 or below .500.
     
  4. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think yes he would go undefeated. He would starch Joshua, expose Tyson fury, Deontay MAY have a chance to land his big right but Lennox would still be favored in that fight. He knows how to be cautious by out finessing the puncher such as tua in his day. Anyway usyk would be a competitive scrap so don't count lewis aa unbeatable as perfectness lol. Usyk is a southpaw, with a high work rate, great stamina and nice footwork. Also zili zhang would get his chin check3d. All other comers can come añd try but Lennox (90% perhaps) would be the conqueror plus he did extremely well in rematches!
     
  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd favor him over everyone today, but he probably picks up a loss. That's what happens when you fight often and fight the best.
    Undefeated fighters are mostly a result of careful match-making and outright ducking.
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "The round count is the "majority opinion"

    I know, I counted correctly. You didn't and had to revise it to 6 in Fury 1.

    I give a fighter more credit for overcoming biased scoring than a fighter like Canelo, Mayweather or Ward who always or virtually always fought with home/A-side advantage and got decisions they would have lost as the B-side, or even with neutral judges. Lewis for instance was unable to overcome B-side status in the first Holyfield fight.

    "Thats 4.75 rounds a fight he lost against AJ and Fury."

    Even as the B-side in 3 of the 4 fights, Usyk averaged 7.25 rounds to Fury/Joshua's 4.75 and didn't suffer a single KD, while scoring one himself.

    Had Usyk been judged neutrally vs Fury/Joshua, he'd have won by a margin of about 4 rounds per fight rather than 2.5.

    Also, starting as the A-side potentially enables you to win with more conservative tactics. Usyk had to overextend to win rounds relative to what he'd have had to do as the A-side or neutral.

    "He beat every single fighter he fought."

    Except McCall 1 (one-punch KO), Rahman 1 (one-punch KO) and 3 loss Holyfield 1 (B-side draw). Dragging them back in the ring, one just coming out of rehab, doesn't erase the results.

    "Wlad has more quality wins at HW then Usyk has total fights"

    If you lower the bar for what counts as a "quality win" for Wlad or Lewis then maybe. Otherwise Usyk's record is better, with many good wins and no losses or draws.