Max Kellerman says Usyk is a historically overrated heavyweight, do you agree?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Melankomas, Oct 21, 2025 at 12:55 PM.


Is Usyk an overrated heavyweight when compared to the rest of history?

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  1. Lonsdale81

    Lonsdale81 Member Full Member

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    Almost every HW era is labelled as crap.. it's boring.. Klitschkos, Holmes, Dempsey, Marcianos.. truth is there's only been a couple of golden eras.. Usyk & Fury rose to the top of this era.. Just like K2 did before them.. just like Lewis & Holyfield before them.. & so it goes on.. Usyk hasn't even finished either.. he'll probably fight Parker/Wardley too.. his HW run is excellent.
     
  2. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If someone is considering Usyk the greatest heavyweight then Max is right. Most of Usyk's career so far has taken place at cruiserweight. He only has 8 fights at heavyweight.
     
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  3. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It doesn't matter how many times you whoop a donkey's ass, he"s still a donkey.
     
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  4. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    He is very ignorant on world boxing he only knows about US fighters. He doesn't understand different set ups in other countries he ignores context. At the end of the day he is just a dork whose knowledge only comes from sitting behind a desk.
     
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  5. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    You are correct. But every other HW you mentioned had a many more fights at HW than Usyk does. Holyfield had 38 fights. All the others fought their entire career at HW. I guess one can argue that Usyk did a lot in a short amount of fights, but does that mean he is an ATG at HW or the greatest at HW?
     
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  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    It was on ESPN Friday Night Fights. Kellerman was and still is a huge Roy nuthugger. Frazier would absolutely obliterate Roy.
     
  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lmao, I like Max for the most part tbh. But this is just a terrible take.
     
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  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kellerman isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. How is the undisputed heavyweight champion, who is still unbeaten an overrated heavyweight.
     
  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Agreed gents all those "types" the Kellerman's, Howie's. Lampley's and Merchants are all morons who make the sport less, it isn't cute or "iconic" to me or "nostalgic" it's like listening to someone in the cinema talk over a movie I'm enjoying. I don't know how guys who've watched as much boxing as them can know so little? it's baffling. none of there opinions are worth a single F-ing cent .people don't even realise what a Charlatan festival boxing is... Angelo Dundee "The Great Trainer" didn't teach anyone to fight he stood next to fighters so long people assumed a lot FFS he got his break wrapping Carmen Bassilo's hands every fighter he's linked to was taught to fight by someone else, I can rattle off nearly every name... he was chosen for Ali because he'd stay out of his way / because of his brothers connections what I'm illustrating is if even the "top 10 trainers of all time lists" are compromised with Kellerman types and he probably knows less then you two about boxing, it is unsurprising when people take "Dr Pacheco" who trained... who? as an on air authority for his "expertise" on a bout. I remember Pacheco saying Archie Moore's "opinions were irrelevant" did anyone say anything? no because the people who run boxing who put Lampley on the air and every other leech seemingly DSKAB I want a @Rumsfeld type on the commentator team if I had to take any non champion non trainer Rummy boy has no ego (or he hides it well...) and a real passion / insight for this business.
     
  10. Journeyman92

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    We live in a world where one of these guy's is more well known for his fight "expertise" and the other was told he was “irrelevant” by some physician.
     
  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Dork is right my Aussie brother, literally would take basically every poster on this forum more serious then F-ing Kellerman on the topic of boxing.
     
  12. kirk

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    This topic is done to death.

    The sports not just who you beat, its also who didn't beat you. Usyk has fought enough dangerous fights now that the fact he hasnt been beaten at all, counts for something.

    For example, sure beating DD isnt an atg achievement, but KOing DD is better than getting stopped by Buster Douglas, Rahman, Sanders, ect.

    So his perfection in the ring adds a bit of context to his lack of depth at heavyweight.

    Also, he had so many rematches it kinda hindered his overall resume. 6 fights went by but he only added 3 names to his resume. One of the many downsides to taking a rematch to a fight you won.

    The worst part about this narrative is as soon as Usyk loses (at age 39 or 40) a second wont elapse after the decision is announced before the cries of 'see Usyk was always overrated' will spread like wildfire.
     
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  13. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Yep I remember Kellerman trying to discredit Kambosos's win over Lopez. He is just bias to non American fighters.
     
  14. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    :clap:
     
  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    That’s why he should retire soon. He has nothing to prove. He beat all the elite guys. Beating Parker or Kabayel doesn’t really do much.
     
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