Hunter is the American Wallin.

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    All of his shine - and the goodwill that he's been slowly burning through for years until nothing but embers and charred ashes remain - comes from giving a good account of himself in a competitive but clear loss (Wallin to Fury, Hunter to cruiserweight Usyk).

    Name a good Wallin win. Murat Gassiev? Okay...barely, controversially, in a division where Gassiev doesn't belong.

    Name a good Hunter win. Sergey Kuzmin? Okay...well Kuzmin was a great amateur but waited far too long to go professional and left the best of himself behind. Glorified can-crusher in the pros.

    Name a good Wallin win besides Gassiev. ...hello, you there? This thing on? :D

    Name a good Hunter win besides Kuzmin. ...hello, you there? This thing on? :D


    Wallin and Hunter are both B level heavyweights with strong chins. Hunter has more skill, and Wallin has the advantage of being a southpaw. Yet you'd think, from hearing hype around both of them, that they have the right tool set to bother any heavyweight in history. They're both decent contenders, don't get me wrong - but by historical ATG standards? They're both mid. :deal:
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hunter beat Bakole and drew with Povetkin
     
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  3. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Hunter also put a beatdown on Bakole - yes a relatively inexperienced Bakole but a good win nonetheless. And his performance in the draw against Povetkin was impressive.

    But has been rapidly downhill since then.

    Hunter could have been a really good HW but made some just bizarre career choices and seemed completely unmotivated to go anywhere. Could have been the #1 US HW for several years. But seemed to want to just fight taxi drivers in the last few years. i don't get it tbh.

    So yeah in terms of achievements they're not much different. But Hunter at HW is a case of a massive waste of potential. I think Wallin has achieved what he could realistically.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What's your point? Bakole was also stopped in two by Parker and drew with Ajagba, who is trash.

    ...and Povetkin was shot to hell by 2019, and a draw isn't a win. My point stands. Hunter's shine is all from doing "okay" against Usyk.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He knocked Whyte out after. Is Whyte a chinlees bum ? I think Whyte is a bum, but certain people will disagree because Whyte beat Parker
     
  6. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hunter is much, much better than Wallin.

    Wallin is trash.
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

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    Better, yes. Much, not sure. Besides his form on those specific couple of nights against Usyk and Povetkin (neither of which he won...) I can't think of a performance where he is head & shoulders above Wallin in a different class. Hunter has had a lot of "off" nights.
     
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  8. Kiwi Fish

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    The other difference is that Wallin actually shows up to his fights, where as Hunter has a solid 3/4 chance to cancel a fight.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

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  10. Redbeard7

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    "Name a good Hunter win. Sergey Kuzmin? Okay."

    Bakole beat Kuzmin on points and is a more dangerous puncher. He also wasn't 300-310 lbs obese against Hunter, or on 48 hours notice, or jetlagged. Outboxing and stopping Bakole was a good win.

    "Shot" always carries a degree of subjectivity. I see no evidence Povetkin was shot against Hunter, in between wins over Hughie (8-4/9-3 Povetkin) and Whyte (KO5). He was borderline shot against Whyte 1 and totally shot against Whyte 2 but he still had a lot left against Hunter, at least given Hunter's style and attributes. The Povetkin draw was a decent result and more had Hunter winning, I don't think Wallin would have replicated that.

    I'd also give Hunter a far better chance of outboxing HW Gassiev and final fight Breazeale than Wallin beating undefeated Bakole, undefeated Kuzmin and drawing with pre-Hunter Povetkin. A prime Hunter has a chance against Joshua and I'd favour him strongly over 41 Chisora.

    It's also possible that at one point, Hunter would have (more often than not) beaten all of the other top American HW's, I don't think one can say the same of Wallin. Hunter at his best was a legit contender, Wallin more of a fringe contender.

    They share an interesting similarity though: both were ducked by Whyte! (consensus winner Hunter was ducked in favour of near-41 Povetkin for Whyte's WBC "final" eliminator, Wallin was pulled out on 9 days out when Whyte realised that if Joshua could lose to a smaller European southpaw in London, he as Joshua's increasingly shopworn victim could also lose in London to a bigger European southpaw who gave Fury a tough fight.)
     
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  11. Rick’s Piano

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    Nah thats not fair to say imo, Hunter in his day showed true potential. Wallin built a name off losing to fury
     
  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Just like Hunter, Wallin also had some decent lower tier wins after his first loss; Travis Kauffman, Dominic Breazeale, and Rydell Booker.
    Hunter beat the likes of Aleksandr Ustinov, Fabio Maldonado, and Iago Kiladze.

    Hunters best results after loosing to Usyk were a TKO win over Bakole, and a draw with Povetkin. Wallin´s best was Gassiev.
    Bakole went on to become a top 10 contender while Povetkin beat then highly ranked Whyte. Gassiev has not done anything of note, but Wallin did briefly enter a lot of peoples and publications top 10´s after beating Gassiev.

    But thats about it. What separates Hunter from Wallin are his win over Bakole and a draw with Povetkin. We can argue all we want about who was the better boxer, but their resumes are pretty darn equal.

    After his career best run Hunter fell into irrelevancy, got a lucky draw vs Jerry Forrest and lost a clear decision to Russian novice Artem Suslenkov.
    Wallin got blasted by Joshua and dominated by ancient Chisora.

    Hunter and Wallin truly have had rather similar careers, and there is not much separating the twos resumes.
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

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    I think Hunter has a slightly better resume and regarding the eye test he looks significantly better.

    Hunters issue is he's just been too inactive so he's wasted his best years. Wallin just got exposed for not being that good despite a solid showing vs Fury.
     
  14. Ice8Cold

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    They're both mid gatekeepers at best really.
     
  15. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those are enough for me. I think he's an underachiever and Wallin is an overachiever. The Usyk effort, the Bakole win, the Povetkin fight (This Povetkin is one of Joshua's best wins, Hunter gets little to no credit for a draw a year later?) in a two year timespan with no promotion and perhaps less than ideal shape is not nothing.

    Otto Wallin on the other hand lives completely off a loss to Fury and a win over inactive, undersized Gassiev. Wallin has zero physical attributes besides being a big southpaw. I think it's a miracle for Otto's career that he's been in the big fights he has and didn't get destroyed by a rising star in front of 500 people.