the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

lmaoo....you are confusing Martinez and Margarito!!

 

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Very competitive fight but Hagler was in monster mode. Strange stoppage through..I had given Hart the last round! Still, he was very exhausted. That was the only round I gave Hart.

 

Haha, oops. Sorry.

 

I agree, it was an odd ending. This is how I had it when viewing:

Marvin Hagler v Cyclone Hart

Round 1: 5-4 Hagler
Round 2: 5-4 Hagler
Round 3: 5-3 Hagler (Hagler drops Cyclone)
Round 4: 5-4 Hagler
Round 5: 5-3 Hagler (1 point deducted from Hart for hitting after the bell)*
Round 6: 5-4 Cyclone
Round 7: 5-5 Even
Round 8: 5-5 Even
Round 9: Cyclone does not answer the bell for the 9th

*The announcers claimed 3 points had been taken from Cyclone for hitting after the bell. I only saw 2 instances of this infraction and an AP report corroborated this by saying 2 points was deducted from Hart. So my score reflects 2 points deducted although I can't recall the other round of the deduction. It was a round before the 5th, but not sure.

Total: 39-32 Hagler (after 8 completed rounds) Actual scores: 39-35, 38-35 and 38-36 all for Hagler

Not sure how the 3 Philly officials had it so much closer than I, but it is what it is. Rounds 4 and 6 were the best when Cyclone let it rip. The ending was odd with the big argument in Cyclone's corner and then he quits on his stool. Heard differing sides to this story, but still a good but not great fight. But well worth watching.

 

Those Philly judges weren’t going to let a New Englander get the better of a local boy without doing their darnedest.

I think it was the Philadelphia Inquirer that ran the headline after Mavin got robbed against Boogaloo Watts: Welcome to Philadelphia, Marvin Hagler, haha.

 

BTW, I do agree that Hart looked exhausted, but he once said in an interview that he had hurt Hagler in one of the late rounds and that his trainer Sam Solomon told him to go out for the next round and just box. According to the interview, that's when the arguing between rounds started because he insisted that Hagler was ready to go and that he should go in for the kill but Solomon insisted he just jab and box. I'm not going to dispute anything but just say, he did look exhausted.

 

Not saying it’s the case here (haven’t watched the fight or the round) but I’ve seen people on our forum as well as real judges give a guy a round because one guy looks more tired … even though if you paid attention he outworked the other guy and deserved it. People (often subconsciously) put a lot of stock in body language.

It shouldn’t matter if a guy is about to pass out and keel over if he does the work to win the round … the fresher-looking guy should be using that energy to do more.

 

James Scott vs Alvaro ‘Yaqui’ Lopez, scheduled for 10 rounds at Rahway State Prison in Woodbridge Township, NJ, on Dec. 1, 1979.

Lopez is ranked No. 1 by the WBA with a 47-8 record and weighs 176. He’s come up short, narrowly, in three title tries — twice vs Victor Galindez and once vs John Conteh, most recently about 18 months prior to this. This fight has apparently been signed for a while, with Yaqui pulling out multiple times claiming injury. His purse is $40K.

Scott is 17-0-1 and has won four in a row since upsetting top-ranked Eddie Gregory (later Eddie Mustafa Muhammad) inside the prison walls. He’s serving 30-to-40 years for armed robbery and a parole violation (and will later be convicted of murder for his role in a killing that took place in the same robbery). He was ranked No. 2 by the WBA before it stripped him, deciding it can’t rank a guy in prison and force a champion to go behind bars to face him. He’s being paid $25K for this fight, presumably payable to his commissary account in Rahway.

We’re fighting o the round system under New Jersey rules, so I’ll use that system.

1. Lopez — Yaqui has faster hands and throws more combinations, lots of short jabs and hooks. It’s a small ring (I’d guess 17 or 18 feet) that favors Scott, a pressure fighter, but it puts them at closer quarters and that plays into Lopez’s faster hands at the start. James lands heavier stuff, especially a thudding jab, which opens up a cut on Yaqui’s nose that will bleed from start to finish.

2. Even — Lopez with more quick combos, boxes Scott and turns him. Scott lands the heavy jab and starts to get through with rights and uppercuts.

3. Scott — Lots of single jabs, rights and hooks that are all heavy, with a few body shots but nothing like the withering body assault we’ve seen from him in other fights. He rolls frequently when Lopez jabs to take away that punch and make him miss.

4. Scott — He rocks Lopez with big left hooks to the head. Works Yaqui over pretty good on the inside and keeps him on the ropes a good bit. Yaqui pulls away and turns him a few times for quick flurries but doesn’t land much cleanly.

5. Scott — Heavy, thudding shots from the prisoner. Yaqui can’t keep him off, slowing down.

6. Lopez — Yaqui moves more, boxing and turning Scott. Some nifty work here but he misses a lot as Scott is proving more elusive than you’d expect. In the last 40 seconds, I think Lopez hurts Scott more than he (or commentary) realizes when he lands a sizzling right and a left hook to the body but James covers well and rides it out to the bell.

7. Scott (close) — Lopez boxes and moves but can’t get his jab on target. James’ jab is better, harder (although less frequent) and he lands two hard hooks late to edge it.

8. Lopez — We go to war. Yaqui can’t box and keep him off so he rips combos like the warrior we know him to be. Scott lands heavy hooks and uppercuts but Yaqui puts him in a corner with a big right late and keeps him there.

9. Scott — They fight at close quarters and Scott’s too much for Lopez. His jab and pressure give him the advantage and he lands one big right.

10. Scott — James chews him up. Yaqui looks done, more or less, and Scott pushes and punches him around from start to finish. Lopez musters a few good exchanges but James’ heavy jab and hooks are too much, and he also lands three or four sapping rights to the body.

Really good fight, all action and a ton of skill both ways. Yaqui’s skills are cleaner and easier to appreciate but Scott does some really good defensive work and countering here.

My card: Scott 6-3-1. Official scores: 8-2, 7-3, 6-3-1 all for Scott.

Of note: The night before, Victor Galindez lost the WBA title to Marvin Johnson by KO in New Orleans. Seven months later, Yaqui will take Matthew Saad Muhammad to the brink before losing by TKO in 14.

Undercard: Only two undercard fights here, with prison fighters from Rahway’s pro boxing program vs outsiders. And one is of note — Tony Braxton (brother of Dwight Muhammad Qawi and a fighter of some note on his own before his career is over) improves to 2-0-1 with a unanimous decision over Frank Fletcher, who drops to 4-2-1.

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