Max Kellerman says Usyk is a historically overrated heavyweight, do you agree?

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Is Usyk an overrated heavyweight when compared to the rest of history?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He must have known he was going to catch heavy blowback for that.
     
  2. slash

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    That would be Holyfield.

    And I am not impressed with Joshua (who got stopped by a double cheeseburger) or Fury (he's going down).

    Don't even bother with a reply, because I already know you're swinging on Usyk's nuts.
     
  3. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Good, well thought out and reasonable take.
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I never said bigger = higher quality but it certainly often comes with increased risk. Some smaller guys are better than bigger guys but size is obviously a huge factor in boxing. Hence why we have weight divisions All these HWs Usyk has fought are way bigger than him and they are all big or huge punchers vs men their own size or bigger

    Belly would be considered the lightest puncher Usyk has fought out of all the world level HWs Usyk's fought but even he is a big puncher when he wants to be and obviously power is magnified when you're fighting someone much smaller than you and his sheer size and length alone pose serious problems for a much smaller fighter to overcome, even just closing the distance, getting past that jab, and trying to avoid getting caught by his counters whilst doing so is a real difficult task

    This notion that Usyk has a tougher time with fighters his own size doesn't really hold up and it's just another excuse to try and discredit him and for people to try and rationalize to themselves that surely there has to be a reason why he's been as successful as he has as opposed to the obvious answer and truth being he really is just that good (not implying this is the case with you). He hasn't lost a fight since 2009, should be 2008 because he was clearly robbed in his 2 last defeats IMO, and whilst the excellent Briedis did give him his genuine toughest fight Usyk schooled Gassiev, Glowacki, and Huck, lost a few rounds vs Bellew, Hunter and Mchunu but like Loma he would often start off slower, download data, and then pick it up after 4 rounds or later and takeover after going to another level and he lost a few rounds to everyone he fought at HW too sans Witherspoon

    Also, many keep ignoring the fact he's a versatile fighter who can fight in a number of different styles and the different game plans he has employed vs different opponents.

    He did not box Briedis like he did Gassiev or Glowacki

    He did not box Belly like he boxed AJ

    He did not box Dubois like he boxed Belly or AJ

    He might box similar sometimes but not exactly the same

    He may well have had a tougher time with those guys you mentioned but he can also box in a number of different ways so it would depend on the tactics he chose to employ. If he wants to be elusive and make things easier for himself he can do that as well as any big man who has ever stepped foot in a ring. Hell, he can do it as well as defensively great little men can. Usyk is a very complete fighter which no real weaknesses

    He is extremely athletic
    Amazing skills
    Physically strong
    Fast feet and hands (especially more so in his prime)
    He has a iron chin
    He can punch
    High ring IQ
    He has a crazy engine
    He's as mentally strong as any fighter I've seen

    He's extremely strong or strong in all departments and even his power is underrated


    Tony Bellew


    ''One hundred percent,” he said, reflecting on that mental fatigue. “The thing that will send Fury off and he won’t understand is the judgment of distance that Oleksandr Usyk has. This is what got me. I was absolutely exhausted after seven rounds. I have never been that tired in my whole entire life. Me and AJ [Anthony Joshua] were talking about it recently, and he also said he’s never been as tired as he was after those fights in his life. And it’s like Usyk wasn’t even blowing. And that’s how you are. He’s made you tired.

    “He’s the one who exhausts you to the brink when you can barely breathe. And when I look back at it now, it’s purely his judgment of distance and his feet remain so close to you. It sounds like such a little thing: His front foot is never more than four to five inches away from you, but you think he’s in range and he’s actually not. He’s in and out and in and out, but you feel like he’s constantly there and it’s so mentally taxing, it’s unbelievable. That doesn’t sound like a lot, but it is when someone’s doing it and controlling it.”

    “I have no idea what happens [in the rematch]. Because I thought Usyk would win the first time, but I never in a million years anticipated he'd win the way he won. I never thought he could push him back like that.

    “Do I think he can do it in the rematch? If he chooses to push him back again in the rematch, he won't catch him by surprise because he 100% took Tyson Fury by surprise. This time he won't be able to do that.”

    Fury has been vocal about how he plans to switch things up for the rematch. He believes that he cannot rely on the judges and that he must press for a knockout. Bellew thinks that if what Fury says is true, then the fight only ends in one way.


    “I do believe if [Usyk] goes on the back foot, he wins every single round,” said Bellew. “He's the hardest man in the world to hit. If you let Oleksandr Usyk go on the back foot and you press him all night, you're in trouble, you're not going to catch him.


    “Just watch the Murat Gassiev fight,” said Bellew, citing Usyk’s virtual shutout victory over the feared power-punching Gassiev, who struggled to land anything of consequence, “and you'll understand that's why I chose to box him. Chasing him is the worst thing in the world you could do.”
     
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  5. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ehh, Usyk is the type of fighter that gets better every fight. Also Usyk was a big cruiser. Meaning if he and Briedis fought and he was allowed to come in at any weight he wouldn’t come in at 200. No disrespect to Briedis I think he’s a great cruiser and will go down massively underrated in the history books. Usyk now at any weight vs peak Briedis would be a beat down.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Good analogy

    Yes, the thing is if people or clowns like Kellerman were being fair or trying to be they would cite that context but they don't

    Yeah I know you're Team Usyk and we are glad to have you among our ranks
     
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  7. mrbigshot

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    I think usyk thanks god every day that the cw division exists.

    Imagine usyk turns 2013 pro as a heavy because cw is non existent . The young , sub 200lbs usyk would meet a prime fury who dethroned wlad and a prime aj who put the same wlad to sleep .

    His worst nightmare might be a deadly wilder who at this time definitely had nuclear fuel in his right hand and with a high probability would windmill this young usyk back to ukraine on a ballistic trajectory .

    Cruiser weight and of course the ukrainian war paved usyk,s career .
     
  8. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Why do great fighters like Usyk always have people who discredit and disparage them?
     
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  9. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    I do not discredit him but i stay on facts and not a fantasy fanboy world . Cruiserweight class definitely benefited a young , slowly bulking up usyk . And as a hw he has 5 opponents on his entire resume .
     
  10. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't know why some of you are making a huge fuss over this. Kellerman is talking specifically about his HW run, not his career. Fury's resume alone is pretty thin. AJ is a chinny bodybuilder according to what seems like most here.
     
  11. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    And all his cruiserweight opponents would have been heavyweights from 1900 until the cruiserweight division was created.

    So when comparing his resume to boxers who fought multiple opponents under 200 pounds but were classed as "heavyweights " at the time, that should be considered.

    Stop discrediting Usyk.
     
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  12. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Realistically everyone after the top 2 are pretty close, and he’s right in the mix with any of the rest of the top 10.

    h2h is subjective and nearly non-sensical - as fun as it is!
     
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  13. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I don't think so. Usyk may get better every fight but Breidis was stylistically a hard fight for him. Breidis has an iron chin and a amazing right hand. Unlike Dubois or Joshua who have average chins, Breidis is iron jawed and as such, he could attack Usyk relentlessly without the same concerns regarding chin that Dubois or Joshua had.

    Usyk is open to the right hand as all southpaws are. Its just that Dubois and Joshua can't attack him relentlessly with their right hand without the fear of being countered. Breidis can.

    As far as getting better in rematches, Joshua was slightly more competitive in fight 2 compared to fight 1. I don't believe any version of Usyk destroys peak Breidis. If it was that easy, then we should have seen the rematch after the Gassiev fight instead of fighting Bellew.
     
  14. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I don't disagree. He is a bonafide ATG. Kellerman is clueless.

    I do think the second and third Beterbiev fights sort of prove my point. Usyk may have won those but by no means did he win them big IMO. I have watched both his 2011 and 2012 fights vs Artur and they were very hard fought fights.

    Still, dude is exceptional. One of a kind. Very complete as you have said.
     
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  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i think its hilarious. i could maybe understand if what was said about usyk was a lie....maybe. but getting all defensive over facts, is kids stuff. that kind of fandom is something i cant relate to. feels too feminine to me.