Jim Jeffries, Jack Dempsey, Max Baer all "great" fighters...all get banged out by Derek Chisora

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by jdempsey85, Oct 20, 2025.


Page 2 of 2
  1. jdempsey85

    jdempsey85 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,519
    119
    Apr 23, 2011

    I watched it yesterday,He wasnt hanging on like he was on the verge of being KO'd,I dont think he was ever in danger even with the injury.Del kept coming but just walked straight in for 12 rounds without any kind of plan,Freddie Roach on comms mentioned that Del moved his head like Frazier (Thought Freddie was generous with that comment) but wasnt throwing hooks

    VK already war torn himself @40 before tearing a ligament himself early in the fight still completely dominated,He did use the left but it was kind of useless

    If this scenario unfolded vs someone else how many would have a chance of defeating Vitali?

    Im not sure where this victory ranks?

    I thought Chisora had a golden opportunity anyway
     
    jdempsey85, Oct 21, 2025 at 7:55 AM
    jdempsey85, Oct 21, 2025 at 7:55 AM
    #16
    Greg Price99 likes this.
  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,070
    19,178
    Oct 4, 2016
    No,,unless it's a weightlifting contest and I'm still not certain
     
    Reinhardt, Oct 21, 2025 at 8:07 AM
    Reinhardt, Oct 21, 2025 at 8:07 AM
    #17
    slash and jdempsey85 like this.
  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,944
    36,756
    Jan 8, 2017
    Strange how Del boy is being seen as the destroyer of old timers nowadays.
     
    Fergy, Oct 24, 2025 at 7:54 AM
    Fergy, Oct 24, 2025 at 7:54 AM
    #18
    slash and JohnThomas1 like this.
  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

    19,748
    21,697
    Sep 22, 2021
    @GlaukosTheHammer this is exposure therapy. Breathe
     
    Journeyman92, Oct 24, 2025 at 11:32 PM
    Journeyman92, Oct 24, 2025 at 11:32 PM
    #19
  5. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,065
    2,257
    Nov 7, 2017
    Nah doe brah, I don't disagree with him.
     
    GlaukosTheHammer, Oct 25, 2025 at 8:04 AM
    GlaukosTheHammer, Oct 25, 2025 at 8:04 AM
    #20
    Journeyman92 likes this.
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,172
    48,428
    Mar 21, 2007
    Glaukus received a temporary ban for posts surrounding Tunney and race.

    Please don't @ him into a thread he might otherwise have ignored, for "exposure therapy" or otherwise.

    IN fact, avoid @ing people into posts which have proven problematic to them full stop. Add it to the list of things you can't do because they're a wind up.
     
    McGrain, Oct 25, 2025 at 8:15 AM
    McGrain, Oct 25, 2025 at 8:15 AM
    #21
    Greg Price99 likes this.
  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,541
    9,545
    Jul 15, 2008
    Look at Vitali at the end of the Chisora fight (48:35) .. hanging on for his life.

    This content is protected

    This content is protected


    I like glorifying the gold guy but seriously ? Chiosora was bigger, stronger, faster and harder hitting than Jeffries. I like the legend of old Jeff but he fought no one who comes even close to the level and size of the guys Derrik fought tooth and nail ... Look at Vitali after their bout .. he was hanging on for his life and practically collapsed into Wlads arms at the end. Usyk flat out says Derrick gave him his hardest fight at hgeravyweight and hit him the hardest .. Max Baer, wild swinging, back hand throwing , amateur hour Max Baer ? Really ? What do you base these decisions on ? Baer by the way only weighted 203 for his biggest ever win over 19 pound Schmeling .. do you think he's going to muscle and push around Derrick ? It's a romantic dream.

    I actually feel Dempsey , while a protected , inactive underachiever who never developed into what he could of if he stayed a fighter instead of a commodity was potentially an extremely gifted and tough fight but he was handing on for his life against the giant 6'2", 212 pound Firpo ... can you imagine 189 pound Dempsey swapping with this guy .. a stylistic nightmare for Jack.
     
    he grant, Oct 25, 2025 at 10:53 AM
    he grant, Oct 25, 2025 at 10:53 AM
    #22
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,627
    27,316
    Feb 15, 2006
    I get it that Chisora is better than his record suggests, but we have to ask ourselves what is most probably here, and we can't be blind to the fact that he lost his most important fights.

    He lost to every size shape and style of fighter going.

    While I rate David Haye as a finisher, I would not go so far as to say that he was better than Dempsey or Baer.
     
    janitor, Oct 25, 2025 at 1:58 PM
    janitor, Oct 25, 2025 at 1:58 PM
    #23
  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,541
    9,545
    Jul 15, 2008
    I knew you'd respond as this and I've grown fond of your Joe Grim Ironman like resilience but seriously ?!? ;)
     
    he grant, Oct 25, 2025 at 2:40 PM
    he grant, Oct 25, 2025 at 2:40 PM
    #24
  10. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,800
    1,747
    Nov 23, 2014
    Haye could easily be better than Bear h2h
     
    Cojimar 1946, Oct 25, 2025 at 2:50 PM
    Cojimar 1946, Oct 25, 2025 at 2:50 PM
    #25
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,627
    27,316
    Feb 15, 2006
    There is absolutely nothing in his resume to suggest that, other than the fact that he stopped Chisora.
     
    janitor, Oct 25, 2025 at 3:04 PM
    janitor, Oct 25, 2025 at 3:04 PM
    #26
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,627
    27,316
    Feb 15, 2006
    If you knew what my post was going to be before I wrote it, then I am sorry that I wasted my time writing it.
     
    janitor, Oct 25, 2025 at 3:05 PM
    janitor, Oct 25, 2025 at 3:05 PM
    #27
Page 2 of 2