Tyson Fury > Wlad Klitschko

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Oct 24, 2025 at 3:47 PM.


  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Excuses. We saw who couldn't carry whose jockstrap when they fought.
     
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  2. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah. Just like Tyson vs Douglas and Ali vs Spinks.
     
  3. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is an awful take. Invalid the minute you disregard Wlads best wins but big up Deontay Wilder as a spectacular win.

    The fact beating 39 year old Wlad is Tysons claim says all you need to know.

    Name the top 30 Heavyweights since Tyson turned pro in 08. See how many he fought and beat.

    Name the top 30 Heavyweights since Wlad turned pro in 96, See how many he fought and beat.

    Name the long list of world title fights Fury had. Now name the long list of world title fights Wlad had.

    Name the Top 10 heavyweight contenders since Tyson Fury became World Champion, see how many he faced and beat.

    Name the Top 10 heavyweight contenders since Wladimir became World Champion, see how many he faced and beat.

    Resumes are literally different ends of the scale. Wlad is in discussions for Top 15 heavyweights of all time, maybe even top 10 depending how you judge it. Tyson Fury isnt close to that level.

    End this monstrosity of a thread.
     
  4. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    While I do genuinely enjoy reading ‘controversial’ takes - and I thank you for posting it - I don’t quite agree.I don’t rate Wlad as highly as some, perhaps because I watched his catastrophic losses to Purrity, Sanders and Brewster in real time. And, while I applaud his impressive comeback, I don’t think the 2005 - 2015 field of opposition was that strong. However, longevity does count for a lot. And he did face who he was meant to, even if the challengers weren’t great (though there are one or two decent wins in there, eg Povetkin, Haye).While Fury has some impressive highs (Wilder, Wlad himself) his competition in general is pretty weak. And that’s on him. Nor did he challenge himself to make his case. He CHOSE the weaker path. Wlad, in fairness, went through the opposition that was available. I’m also not sure how much you can take from their head to head, where Wlad, in fairness, was coming to the end of his career.I don’t think they’re *that* far apart, historically. But I don’t think Fury should be rewarded unduly for occasional highs balanced against sub par opposition. Wlad takes it on long, overall consistency for me - even if I don’t rate the opposition that highly.
     
  5. BCS8

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    Fury is not better and never was because he has the mental fortitude of a wet bag of noodles. Fury would never put together any meaningful reign because he'd find a way to blow it against a journeyman sooner rather than later, and he'd do it again and again. When Wlad was prime he didn't allow anybody to come within the same time zone as him. Fury got lucky he faced a mentally shot version of Wlad and then Fury bottled the rematch because he could see the ass kicking coming down the train tracks towards him.
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Greatness is accomplishment. Vitali doesn't have it.
     
  7. Terminator

    Terminator Active Member Full Member

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    Lets not forget that most of Wlad’s top wins were in germany with that dodgy padded ring that peter fury sniffed out within 5 minutes
     
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  8. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Throwing five to seven punches a round is not a “schooling” it was an awful fight to watch and score.
     
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  9. piprules

    piprules Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well we will never know what would have happened n a rematch between fury and vlad because fury ran like a scared little *****.
     
  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A fighter whose a generation younger beating someone like Wlad 8-4 or 9-3 isn't going to elevate them above that fighter H2H. At least not because they won.

    Fury and AJ beat Wlad. Wlad did well enough where he should be considered the better fighter. Everything thats happened since has only reinforced that.

    People hold Wlad losing to "journeymen" against him. Fury got knocked down by Wilder and Ngannou 6 times and only beat Ngannou because 1 of those KDs went unscored. Today it is hard to imagine a HW champion accomplishing more then Wlad. It is hard to imagine a champion reigning as long as Fury did accomplishing less.
     
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  11. kirk

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    nah.

    Like you said, Furys best wins are Wlad and Wilder. After that, theres Chisora.
    After that, theres literally nothing.

    He doesnt have more losses on his record like Wlad does, because he didnt fight anybody.

    But of the mid guys he did fight, he was given a very competitive fight by a C level Wallin, half the world had him losing to an 0-0 mma fighter, and he was genuinely lucky he wasnt KO'd by Wilder in the first fight, when nobody would have batted an eye had the ref waved it off when Fury was dead on the canvas.

    When seeing the mid tier guys that brought Fury to the brink, theres almost no question he would have accrued an upset loss or two along the way had he fought the likes of Povetkin, Haye, Peter, prime Brewster, ect.

    Him out pointboxing a 39 year old Wlad that was KOd and retired in his next fight, as a basis for putting him over a Wlad that has wins over Haye, Peter, Povetkin, Pulev, Byrd, and like 20 something title defenses, doesnt quite add up.

    The very fact that a peak Fury, in his shining moment, could barely out pointbox a 39 year old Wlad who was in what was to him a routine title defense is as much a testament to Wlad as it is to Fury.
     
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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad's coach Emanuel Steward gave the game away back in 2012. He knew Wlad was having it relatively easy, dominating much smaller men with jab and grab and that Fury had all the tools to beat him. When Fury got in the ring with the universal No.1 HW and P4P No.6 (not comparable to an old Ali getting by on gift decision after gift decision), the P4P No.6 lost anything from 9-3 to 11-1, with the closer scoring due to Wlad being the A-side home fighter.
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "The very fact that a peak Fury, in his shining moment, could barely out pointbox a 39 year old Wlad who was in what was to him a routine title defense is as much a testament to Wlad as it is to Fury."

    This is a crackhead take.

    Wlad lost 8-4/9-3 on his biased German cards and 9-3 to 11-1 on the fan cards. He was totally shut down.

    Wlad's coach had told him that Fury was the next dominant HW, he knew Fury was a serious threat and was more motivated than he'd been for any fight since Haye.

    That may have been the best version of Fury we saw but he was still in his world title debut, with vastly less experience.

    Fury was a fighter for the big occasion, Wlad was comparatively a choke artist.

    Wlad was far more consistent than Fury, he'd never fight without a serious training camp for instance. But he was dependent on A-side advantage and as soon as he didn't have that, he was at serious risk. Without his grappling perhaps Peter 1 turns him over and there's no long reign.
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury won 8-4/9-3 on A-side Wlad's hometown cards. Fans had it more like 10-2.

    5 loss Wlad was better than 4 loss Joshua. But Wlad losing to a green Joshua who hadn't been past 7 rounds or had more than one real fight was pathetic. Ruiz and Dubois demolishing Joshua underline how Wlad is overrated.

    Fury has had rubbish performances but the difference is that when Wlad did, he got KO'd, whereas Fury did enough to win. Wlad was always in-shape/disciplined/focused.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Resumes are literally different ends of the scale."

    If this metric matters so much, why is Vitali considered better? Probably Bowe too.

    Wlad's best wins are inferior to Fury's best wins, hence Fury was Ring fighter of the year twice to Wlad's zero.

    When Wlad fought his best opponents he was exposed. He never looked great at the top level and he got knocked out by mediocrities, which would have happened more without his A-side protection.