the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I thought I’d take a look at a bit of an unusual trilogy — unusual in that the same guy won all three but they fought three times anyway — Jose “Pipino” Cuevas vs. Angel Espada. (I promise I’m not doing this to ruffle the feathers of our @AntonioMartin1 by dredging up a Puerto Rico vs Mexico rivalry, especially one where Puerto Rico came up on the short end of the stick, haha.)

Fight One
Angel Espada vs Jose Cuevas, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBA welterweight championship on July 17, 1976, at Plaza de Toros Calafia in Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico. (This is a bullring arena, apparently, the ‘Calafia’ being the name of a mythical legendary ruler of California from some fiction novel from what I gather.)

Espada weighs 146 1/4 for his second defense of the title he won with a 15-round decision over Clyde Gray after the WBA stripped Jose Napoles for moving up to face Carlos Monzon at middleweight, the WBA ruling that Espada had earned a title shot and shouldn’t have to wait (he had beaten Jack Tillman and Armando Muniz for his biggest wins). The champion from Puerto Rico is 28 years old.

Cuevas, just 18, is considered an easy touch with a 15-6 record after turning pro at I think 13 years old (good lord). The Mexican welterweight champ scales 145 1/4 and is coming off a 10-round decision loss to Andy Price in his previous bout (I’ve read that’s why he got the shot, because Espada’s people weren’t impresses and figured this was a cakewalk … little did they know). Pipino had won eight in a row before facing Price.

1. Espada 10-9: Jose comes out missing wildly with right hands and a couple of hooks. Espada patiently finds spots for his jab and a few rights and counters some of Pipino’s misses nicely while letting others sail by.

2. Cuevas by KO at 2:37: Not much happens happens early until Pipino starts ripping hooks, landing one solidly, but Espada takes it well. He then lands a big right hand near the ropes that buckles Espada and a follow-up hook turns Espadas legs to rubber and he goes down. After the count, Pipino goes for broke and rakes him over in the corner but can’t land the finishers. Espada spins out and escapes and Cuevas pounces with a hook and he’s down again. Espada gets up and goes to a corner and gets an extra break as he holds onto the ropes and refuses to give referee Larry Rozadilla his gloves to wipe. Finally the ref waves Cuevas in — one left hook and a token right as Espada sinks to the canvas and it’s over.

Pipino is hoisted onto the shoulders of a cornerman and celebrates as he becomes the youngest Mexican champ in history.

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Fight Two
Jose “Pipino” Cuevas vs Angel Espada II, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBA welterweight championship at Coliseo Roberto Clemente in San Juan, Puerto Rico, on Nov. 19, 1979. (Of little note, I went to Puerto Rico one time in the 1990s and we drove by this stadium on the way from the hotel to the airport — at least I’m pretty sure that’s when we drove by it — and knew it from its renown as a boxing and concert venue.)

Cuevas is 19-6 making the fourth defense of the crown he won from Espada in explosive fashion 16 months earlier in his native Mexico — this time he’s on Cholo’s turf. He has knocked out Shoji Tsujimoto in Japan in six rounds, Argentina’s Miguel Angel Campanino (whom Espada was apparently supposed to face in his next defense before he lost to Pipino) in two in Mexico and Clyde Gray in two in Los Angeles. He weights 147.

Espada is 39-8-4 and has also won three in a row since their first meeting, all in Puerto Rico, although against lesser opposition — 11-1 Ray Hammond of New York being his best win of the three. He scales 146 1/2.

1. Cuevas 10-9: Gil Clancy said a fighter improves 25% when he wins a title, and you can see some of that here — this is a more confident and (somewhat) more refined Pipino. He has shorted up the right, which he lands frequently as a lead, and actually throws and lands a few jabs. He doesn’t really break through with the left hook to the head but lands a few nice body shots. Espada is in the pocket more than he should be and finally gets his jab going later in the round.

2. Cuevas 10-8: Boom goes the dynamite as Cuevas lands a glancing left hook high on the head about midway through the round and Espada goes down. He gets up and then takes a knee to take the rest of the count as he considers the situation. Cuevas gets a bit wild going for the kill and Espada fights his way back into it, landing a few good rights and a hook or two, but also smartly holding and clinching to get through the round.

3. Cuevas 10-9: Angel is on his toes now but not throwing much. He wins one exchange with a big right to punctuate a combo but that’s about it. Cuevas does some body work and lands some right leads as Espadas is intent on staying away from the hook.

4. Espada 10-9: Angel with a lot of lateral movement. He’s economical with some jabs, a few rights and even gets off quicker — and gets out — with the hook a couple times. Pipino can’t pin him dow and can’t get off. Nice recovery round for Cholo to get into this thing.

5. Cuevas 10-9: Very close to 10-8 as Pipino unleashes a barrage along the ropes, something like 25 shots to maybe three from the challenger. Espada covers well to avoid most of the head shots but Cuevas rakes his body with thunder shots. Angel mauls Cuevas and pushes him back in clinches and lands a few good rights.

6. Espada 10-9: He moves laterally to keep Pipino a bit flummoxed and lands some clean rights, including one big shot that’s his best of the fight, but it doesn’t faze Cuevas. Pipino pins him on the ropes again but he fights off savagely. Angel’s best round not just of this fight, but of the series so far.

7. Cuevas 10-9: Pipino buckles Espada with a right hand and batters him along the ropes, especially with more great body work. The doctor inspects Espada mid-round and lets it go on. Espada with a nasty mouse under his left eye, which is starting to close.

8. Espada 10-9: He moves, clinches, spoils, using every trick in the book, and also sneaks in a few nice rights.

9. Espada 10-9: He’s weary but the challenger is still trying to find a way. Cuevas follows him around but takes the round off, throwing little. Espada is looking ragged but edges it with a few nice counters.

10. Even 10-10: Lot of clinching and sloppy work by both, nothing significant happens.

11. Cuevas 10-9: Pipino starts working his way out of Espada’s bear hugs with body shots and a few good punches upstairs. Espada is fading badly.

Espada quits on his stool before the 12th — actually it seems he collapses when he tries to get up for the start of the round and it’s over. Espada’s right jawline now looks like someone stuffed a baseball inside his mouth.

The commission doctor will report later that Espada’s jaw was fractured in two places after he visits the hospital following the fight.

My score at time of stoppage: Cuevas 106-103. Official scorers Cuevas 106-104, even 104-014, Espada 108-106 (no freaking way).

Also on this card, Samuel Serrano made a successful fourth defense of his WBA super bantamweight crown with a 10th-round TKO of Tae Ho Kim.

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Fight 3
Jose “Pipino” Cuevas vs. Angel Espada III, scheduled for the third time for 15 rounds for the WBA welterweight championship on Dec. 8, 1979, a year and chance since their second meeting, this time in the Sports Arena in Los Angeles.

Cuevas, 146, has been a busy bee since they fought last, chalking up five more successful defenses with four by KO — Harold Weston, Billy Backus, Pete Ranzany and Scott Clark — and a decision win over Randy Shields in his most recent outing. This is his 10th defense. He’s making $100K plus an unspecified amount in training expenses.

Espada took time up to let that fractured jaw heal, and has won four in a row since facing Pipino in their rematch, all by KO, but the best of that lot is probably 12-2-2 Sam Hailstock, with all of those bouts taking place in Puerto Rico. He’s 43-9-4 and weighs 144 1/2. Espada is pocketing $25K plus $15K in training expenses.

ESPN carried the fight live on a Saturday night. ESPN didn’t have a regular weekly boxing program yet but at this point but showed the odd fight here and there with little fanfare.

1. Cuevas 10-9: Pipino comes out on his toes, bouncing around, giving ground and letting Espada come to him. He also relies on the jab a lot and is effective with it. He lands one solid right and a few rights to the body. Espada is cautious, his only effective punch a singular right.

2. Cuevas 10-9: Cuevas is more aggressive now, walking Angel down behind that jab. He lands a few rights and hooks.

3. Cuevas 10-8: Pipino hurts Espada with about a minute to go and unloads everything in a mad fury, but Espada weathers it, makes him miss and holds to get through it. Cuevas lands a lot of body shots including some low blows. Ref doesn’t stop the action to do it, but tells broadcaster a bit later that he deducted a point from Espada for excessive holding. This could be 10-7 with the deduction, but I thought Cholo did just enough to avoid a two-point margin before the point being taken away.

4. Even 10-10: Cuevas lands a few jabs, Espada a few shots but not much to score here.

5. Espada 10-9 (close): Angel gets off his own hooks and a few assorted other punches to keep Cuevas off him. Pipino lands a few rights, including one after a really hard body shot.

6. Cuevas 10-9: He keeps Espada on the ropes for most of the round with a barrage to the body and a few rights and hooks to the head. He lands a ton of low punches and is warned twice, but no evident deduction, which he frankly deserved.

7. Espada 10-9: Angel gets his rhythm behind the jab and finds home with some nice hooks and rights as he moves laterally. Pipino nails him with a hook right before the bell and Espada uncorks a counter right.

8. Espada 10-9: Espada goes for it. He backs Cuevas up and lands some sizzling rights along with some jabs and hooks. Cuevas lands his jab and a few straight rights.

9. Cuevas 10-9: He rips some big hooks (and some more low blows — warned twice again but no point deducted. Pipino is too strong and while Espada lands a few nice singular blows, he can’t keep Pipino off of him.

10. Pipino wins by TKO at 1:18. He really goes hard to the body and yet again is warned twice without penalty. Cuevas puts Espada down with a right and beats him up in the corner when the action resumes, pouring it on heavily until the ref finally pulls him off and ends it with Angel done and defenseless.

My card 87-84. Official cards 88-83, 88-84, 87-84.

The undercard saw wins by the aforementioned Shields, rising lightweight Rodolfo Gonzalez and Jamie Garza.

We didn’t know it at the time (nor did they), but Cuevas and Espada were both on a crash course to face Thomas Hearns. Espada would be stopped by Hearns in his next bout and Pipino would have one more successful defense before being dethroneda by the Motor City Cobra. (Of note, Espada was stopped just four times in 59 career outings — three time by Cuevas and once by Hearns, having the bad luck to meet two of the hardest-hitting welterweights of all time.)

Cuevas shows a lot of growth fight to fight here and it’s fun to watch him progress as he grows in experience, matures and becomes confident. Espada has nice skills but he’s very frustrating to watch because he is so often reluctant to let his hands go — but then again, when you’re fighting a guy who has knocked you out quickly then broken your jaw, that’s easy for me to say. These two mix pretty well for the series to be as one-sided as it was.

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LOL unlike most Im unbothered by that. In fact, the Lopez-Salido and Sanchez-Gomez fights are among my favorite of all times. Chavez-Rosario? Too one sided. Alvarez-Cotto? Not a war.

I saw Espada-Cuevas 1 and Cuevas=Espada 3 and quite enjoyed them a lot. Espada was a great fighter but he never had what it takes to beat Cuevas: a great knockout punch!

 

Yeah, in the entirety of the 23 rounds I watched of these two going at it, I can count on one hand the number of times I thought Cuevas was genuinely bothered by a punch — there were some beautiful counters that landed flush and just didn’t move Pipino at all.

He also caught Cuevas off-balance a time or two, but you could tell he wasn’t actually hurt or buzzed at all, just in an awkward position or flat-footed and rocked back a bit. And you could tell Espada knew he didn’t do any damage because he he was satisfied to land the clean shot and then be somewhere else before the receipt came.

Do you know if Espada and Wilfred Benitez ever sparred? It would seem inevitable, even if El Radar was much younger — his dad had no compunction about putting him in with bigger, older, stronger guys.

 

Doubt it. Back then, when there were more stringent speed limits, Puerto Rico seemed so much larger, that there were about 10 commercial flights every day between San Juan and Ponce! Benitez being form Carolina which is where San Juan's main airport actually is, and Espada from Salinas which is near Ponce, I doubt that any sparring took place, at least in Puerto Rico., But its possible.

One thing that makes the drive longer is that , while San Juan and Ponce are 30 miles away, a mere 30 to 40 minute drive by car, if you stop to get gas and food 40 minutes...is the fact that by Cayey you hit a very steep mountain and have to drive almost to the clouds, a very dangerous portion of the freeway without much visibility,. And then you go down. Between going up and down that adds about 30 minutes to the drive. Back then, it could take 2 hours because of the speed limits, even at the freeway.

Imagine this: despite the closeness between the two cities, there was, in the 1980s, Prinair, Oceanair, Eastern Express and American Eagle covering the air route! The Cordillera Central mountain range and the speed limits sure made everyone feel that Puerto Rico was much bigger than it actually was. Only emergency vehicles could go faster.

Of course, the wait at the airport after 9/11 to make sure you are not a terrorist made the flights between the two cities non sense because now you have to wait an hour to get there regardless. Back then you could show up at the airport and be at the plane in 15 minutes. Nowadays the only domestic flights out of San Juan (and since Im pro Independence I dont consider flights to the USA domestic lol) are to Mayaguez which is a four hour drive, and to the islands of Culebra and Vieques. So, nowadays, Benitez might as well have driven to Salinas if he was a boxer these days or viceversa, Back then at least, people form the north saw people form the south, east and west as living far, far away, and from the east and from the south and the west saw people from the north and the other areas the same way......like I say, the Conrdillera Central range and the speed limits made it seem like a huge country, which it is not lol

It would have been an interesting match to see , for sure, if they had!!!!

(PS, Benitez and Wilfredo Gomez boxed an amateur fight which Gomez won by decision, that would be great to see too!)

 

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Swift!

 

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Arguello's body punching is underrated.

 

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Seldon was a tree. Bowe was the tree cutting machine lol

 

Good to see Riddick fights on here. I think you can make an argument for him top 10 all-time at heavy H2H … nightmare matchup for a lot of guys.

His fall was hard and fast but at his peak he was more than a handful.

Gotta give Bowe’s people credit for not fixing the Seldon fight like Tyson’s did.

 

Randall “Tex” Cobb vs Earnie Shavers, heavyweights scheduled for 10 rounds on Aug. 2, 1980, at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit.

Cobb, 24, is stepping up for the first time with a 16-0 (15) record, weighing 232. His biggest previous win is over journeyman Roy “Cookie” Wallace by decision.

Shavers, 36, is trying to get back into the heavyweight picture. He’s 66-9-1 (56) and weighs 208. He nearly won the WBC title when he knocked down Larry Holmes, but was upset by Bernardo Mercado in his next fight but won the next one. He’s also had retina surgery to repair a tear in his eye.

Cobb is a substitute of sorts for Gerry Cooney, who was supposed to fight Shavers in Long Island but pulled out due to an injury — the fight was moved to this card in Detroit when Cobb was secured as an opponent. This is on the undercard of Thomas Hearns’ welterweight title-winning effort vs Pipino Cuevas.

As with Hearns-Cuevas, it is fought on a slick ring and both guys look at times like they’re trying to fight on ice. Hard to get footing and leverage for either, which leads to a lot of arm punches.

1. Shavers 10-9: Earnie lands two big right uppercuts, some thudding body shots, a few jabs and one big right, which Cobb takes (little did anyone know at this point how concrete his chin really was). Cobb works his jab and lands three or four clean rights. Shavers is cut over his left eye, which will be a problem throughout the fight.

2. Cobb 10-9: Randall’s turn as he lands with the jab and short combinations. Shavers gets through with a few big shots but Cobb is much busier.

3. Shavers 10-9: Back to the Acorn as he finds home with several heavy rights, some body shots and one head-turning left hook. Cobb continues to work the jab and his short combos.

4. Cobb 10-9: The pendulum swings the other way as Tex eats a few monster shots to the head and body but works the full 3 minutes and gets off with his short combinations. He’s got a nifty little left uppercut that he uses to either follow or set up the right. Cobb is cut over his left eye by round’s end.

5. Shavers 10-9: Best round of the fight as a tiring Shavers decides to go for broke. He stops Cobb in his track several times with powerful rights and turns him sideways once. He also gets through with a few hooks and some punishing body shots. Randall rides out the storm and pounces late in the round to batter Earnie when he runs out of gas.

6. Cobb 10-9: Randall begins to batter Earnie around the right with those short, chopping combinations. Earnie lands a couple of shots but a really low output.

7 Cobb 10-9: Shavers is absolutely exhausted and Cobb rocks him several times, once sending him reeling halfway across the right to the ropes with a right hand. Earnie lands a few singular big shots so there’s hope for the Acorn, but it’s fading fast.

8 Cobb wins by TKO at 2:19 when the ref steps in after he gains punch after punch on a helpless and completely gassed Shavers. He lands a series of right hands as Shavers bends forward at the waist with hands up, a few of which are rabbit shots but others he loops in to land legal blows. It doesn’t matter as Earnie has nothing left and is wobbly-legged as he’s thoroughly beaten up.

My card: Cobb 77-76. No scores from the officials that I’ve been able to find.

Cobb will go on to lose his next two fights impressively, a split decision to Ken Norton and a majority decision to Michael Dokes, then puts together a string of wins to land an ill-fated shot at Holmes in November 1982. Shavers will never contend again — he beats Jeff Sims and Joe Bugner but loses to James Tillis and has more fights than he should against journeymen or flat-out opponents.

This card is promoted by Muhammad Ali Professional Sports, aka MAPS, aka Harold Smith, a mysterious force in this time period who is paying outrageous sums to fighters to lure them away from Don King and Bob Arum. In addition to this bout and Hearns-Cuevas, we get Hilmer Kenty’s first WBA lightweight title defense (TKO 9 Young Ho Oh) and Yasutsune Uehara taking the WBA 130-pound title from Samuel Serrano in Ring Magazine’s upset of the year.

This is a sad fight to watch if you have a sentimental spot for Shavers but an intriguing meeting between one of the greatest punchers of all time and one of the best chins.

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The commentator did a good effort in English despite French being his first language.

 

It was, however, also one of the greatest Heavyweight slugfests of the 80s!

 

A Young Anuchai Donsua future IBF Bantamweight challenger a rising star of Petchyndee and have like Tasana Salapat / Panya Pradabsri the legendary Chatchai Sasakul for to be his trainer vs Sukpasried Ponphitak "Sukkasem Kietyongyuth" former IBF Ranked no5 at 118 lbs (Bantamweight) the fight was a 10 rounds at 122 lbs for the ABF Super Bantamweight belt, I watch it because despite his pretty bad record I know that Sukpasried Ponphitak is a well skilled boxer in Thailand (for example he outboxed Srisaket Sor Rungvisai but have a shoulder injury in the 5th rounds) with Aran Dipaen he was a rising star of the Kiatkreerin gym / Jimmy Boxing Gym of Bangkok :​

round 1 : 10-9 Sukpasried Ponphitak

round 2 : 9-9 draw

round 3 : 10-9 Anuchai Donsua

round 4 : 10-9 Anuchai Donsua

round 5 : 10-9 Sukpasried Ponphitak

round 6 : 9-9 draw

round 7 : 10-9 Sukpasried Ponphitak

round 8 : 10-9 Anuchai Donsua

round 9 : 10-9 Sukpasried Ponphitak

round 10 : We can see before the round beggin Chatchai Sasakul who said to Anuchai Donsua to accelerate for this round because he will be very important. 10-9 Sukpasried Ponphitak


I have it : 95 (Sukpasried Ponphitak) - 93 (Anuchai Donsua)


The official scorecards : 96-94, 96-94, 97-93 (wtf?) unanimous decision for Anuchai Donsua


For me that's a robbery Anuchai Donsua played on the counterattacks, which put an end to Sukkasem’s early dominance in the fight. But if you analyze it closely, afterward he mostly just clinched. Sukkasem was able to land his jab quite clearly, and from round 5 onward, the experienced Sukkasem started to see everything coming — Anuchai Donsua’s left uppercuts were landing less and less. Sukkasem was the one pressing forward in the later rounds, landing cleanly with his left hook and showing solid head movement. Anuchai Donsua had no gas left in the final round — I don’t understand how the judges could have given it to him the round 2,9& 10 which was the key of that fight.


If you want to see the fight he beggin at 1:03:23

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Hopkins vs Cloud

Actually a pretty entertaining fight for an old man Hopkins bout.. Was fairly competitive throughout but with Hopkins being in control around the 6th and onward.

Vintage Hopkins, the economical movement and punch selection, superb distance control (mostly too far or too close for Cloud to be effective, and getting lots of nice flurries off in between), and of course, lots of dirty tricks and psychological warfare..

Cloud was game but was just outmatched. He landed some good shots and even flurries, but Hopkins answered back right away for the most part. Hopkins seemed to have made him gun-shy in most rounds after the 5th. Cloud landed some body shots around the 4th or 5th that cause Hopkins to retreat for a bit, but didn’t seem to go to the well often enough after that. I imagine Hopkins’ angling his stance more, smothering, and holding had a part to play in that.

Another interesting point - I often forget how damn big B-Hop was… He had to be huge at middleweight, he often seemed similar sized or bigger than his opponents at 175….

 

Usyk vs Dubois 1

First time seeing this in full, have seen the low blow several times, completes the set of Usyk fights for me since his first belt.

Round 1 10-9 Usyk - Smiling watching the magician already, so many times he will start round 1 and with a stabbing quick jab. Controlled Dubois with his lead hand who was mostly hesitant and too slow, but did throw a few decent counters including an uppercut.

Round 2 - 10-9 Usyk - Love the front foot pressure, it’s already in my mind, a left to the body, kidney area acknowledged by Usyk. He then buzzes Dubois a couple of times with counter lefts. There was an exchange of hooks with Usyks landing cleaner and quicker.

Round 3 - 10-9 Usyk - Closer round until the last minute, Usyk constantly active with his feet and movement. Low blow call early, unable to spot if correct, a couple of good jabs from Dubois but Usyk took it away late.

Round 4 - 10-9 Usyk - Clearly audible ‘move to the left’ shouts from Dubois corner early, made to pay with a few straight lefts. You can see the eye closing by the round, but he is getting more confident/desperate. It was an ok round for him, swinging hooks, mostly blocked, body shots got through, definitely put more of his presence on Usyk.

Round 5 - 10- 9 Usyk. Low blow round! First instincts are yes, it is on my blindside. Looked very painful, that was agony he was in, in there. Replaying the initial view several times, looking at refereeing position and notice Dubois put up a hand of apology. Now have the benefit of replays, been on it for about 10 minutes easily, watching replays, looking at rules etc.. to me it’s clearly low. Below the belt line, below the naval. Resume - I nod as Dubois goes straight for the body, looks low, catches him evidently low not long after, Usyk definitely just in recovery mode but comes back and dominates the last minute, lands clean shots, Dubois had a spell but I was expecting him to really dominate and put it on Usyk this round, spicy after the bell with Usyk catching him late, Dubois responds.

Round 6 - 10-9 Usyk. This was really close, Dubois really picked up his confidence and pounced on Usyk showing down in the middle of the round, after a strong start. A mix of legal or not body shots, Usyk was clearly accurate early though which takes it for me. I like this round from Dubois though.

Round 7 - 10-9 Usyk. Until the last minute I was thinking this could be a Dubois round. On a rare occasion put Usyk on the back foot, via a looping body shot, then gets him again on the way out. I did notice probably the first clinch of the fight, made me think Dubois could have done something and got off on the inside. Usyk puts his foot on the pedal in the last minute, 3, 4 shot combination, mostly successful, the pressure more than the accuracy looks to get to Dubois at the close of the round.

Round 8 - 10-8 Usyk. Usyk starts quick, within the first 10 seconds a combination which spells trouble for Dubois. Shortly following this, Dubois lands a counter right down the middle, Usyk takes it well, he has a good chin but this punch puts Usyk in his box, Dubois builds confidence and lands a few, I didn’t feel I would possibly give a round to Dubois at this stage knowing what is to come. But no, Usyk does what he does, and perhaps Dubois too. A combination puts Dubois on the back foot and he basically concedes to the floor, he gets up barely at 9. I have to go 10-8, as the round was close until this point.

Round 9 - And we’re done, Usyk starts to beat Dubois up around the ring, Dubois looking tired, blood on the nose, all the signs are there, Dubois has a last hurrah before a hook/jab, which looked and sounded crisp. Dubois legs looked like they couldn’t take the punishment any more, then he checked out, probably right of him to do, but it adds to his story building against him.

Overall, an enjoyable watch, Dubois looked naive and outclassed but much more experienced fighters had done against the master. Feel harsh that I didn’t give the guy a round, there were rounds between 4-7 where he was competitive, at this point he was in the fight but did he and anyone else really believe he could sustain, and clearly I did not reward him for his efforts. The 5th was a flash point, I may go back to some reactions over the coming days, I anticipated more of a follow up from Dubois, from the rounds I had him competing I don’t think he did particularly much at all following the moment of vulnerability from Usyk in this round. I liked Usyk’s pep talk at the end to Dubois, before he then brutally punished him in the rematch! I will also commend Barry Jones excellent commentary as ever.