Has Canelo's losses

Taken him out of the Shadow of Mayweather?

Before he lost to Bivol, it was always yeah but he lost to Mayweather. Now that he has 2 more losses both to highly rated fighters, is he now out of the shadow of Mayweather? Or was he out of the shadow of Mayweather before?

While losses are never good, in these cases it gives Canelo an obstacle to overcome, fighters who are not easy to beat. If Canelo did not have the Bivols or the Buds of the world who could he then lose to in a way in which he could overcome, either by rematching them or by challenging for more titles. More losses means that Canelo is not protecting an undefeated record so he has no problem losing decisions to great fighters it seems.

Is this something that Canelo can overcome? Could he rematch Bivol or Bud and win rematches. Some said he beat Bud but stands no chance against Bivol. Now Bivol really struggled with Beterbiev in two close fights but those were tough fights.

Now that Canelo has losses to avenge and other challenges to pursue what is his next move?

 

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https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/under+someone's+shadow

under (someone's or something's) shadow

1. Given less attention or thought of as less notable, important, or successful compared to someone else. i.e. He's been struggling to get out from under his father's shadow during his political career.

2. Living with the constant fear, anxiety, or painful memory of something. i.e. Residents have had to live under the war's shadow for nearly a decade now.

Canelo's post-Mayweather career has largely been defined as Canelo living under Mayweather's shadow. Because no matter what Canelo did, he would always have that one loss to Mayweather and thus could never surpass Mayweather, due to the head to head victory and the undefeated record. Not only that, he replaced Mayweather as the face of boxing. Mayweather Canelo was in some type a way a passing of the torch. But it wasn't a full one because Mayweather won and some had it quite wide.

I'm asking, now that he's lost twice more, how does that change the calculus in our evaluating of Canelo's career. He's no longer under or in Mayweather's shadow anymore, he's lost to other people now. But lets say he didn't fight Bivol or Crawford, and avoided Benavidez. He could realistically have finished his career with only the one loss to Mayweather. And he would have stayed P4P #1 all along. He wouldn't be #10 now. Now some think he lost to GGG or Lara as well, but putting that aside, how does Canelo having 2 more losses affect how we view him, particularly as it relates to Mayweather. Is he out from under Floyd's shadow now?

Is he in Crawford's shadow now instead, or Bivol's shadow, for better or for worse? And if he is, should he need to rematch them to get out from under their shadow. He wasn't able to rematch Floyd, but he could Crawford or Bivol.

 

Did that last post help? I'm really trying to get through to you guys on this but some of your can be very thick-headed as it relates to Canelo. I would also add that these losses would seem to balance things out given that before Canelo lost to Bivol the judging conspiracies surrounding Canelo (according to some on here) were reaching a breaking point.

Canelo losing these kind of fights but taking these kind of risks could do him some good in the minds of the fans many of whom (many of you and those who are responding here) could not stand Canelo winning decisions and such and having bewildering scores like 118-110 over GGG!!

Now Canelo has lost twice now all you haters should be either rejoicing or just relieving that Canelo is no longer on top. And it's been a curious fall from P4P #1 if we're honest. I'm still trying to understand how 2 close decision losses to two Top P4P fighters gets from from P4P #1 to P4P #10. Oh but I'll tell you what pushes that along - is what you and others believe and argue - that Bivol wasn't close, that it was a domination, etc. Even now we're hearing (from some) that Crawford wasn't close either.

This is actually what I wanted to expose which is one of the reasons why I did this topic and you haven't disappointed. I'm turning over the dark underbelly of the Canelo hater mindset here. Now in this and the other topic it's Canelo has no chance of returning to P4P #1 etc after he does what fans should appreciate and take on stylistically difficult fights that he didn't have to, loses, but is very competitive in each. Bivol in the early rounds and in round 9 (not in the other rounds) while he did better than he did against Bivol against Crawford, though still some are trying to exaggerate it.

I would just add that in my view the P4P Rankings have gone whack ever since Canelo lost to Bivol and that's pretty apparent. Which coincided with the Usyk rise to the top of the P4P Rankings. I just really wonder how this is going to play out in the coming years, I wouldn't expect Canelo to take these losses laying down and just let this sit like this. Canelo needs to really up his game and have a career resurgence, his recent performances have just not been up to his standards. But on the other hand it's not like we've seen a major decline either. I mean he might be slowing down but he isn't any easier to hurt or KD. Now I don't know if he gave Crawford too much respect in that fight and thought the judges would favor his work.