What exactly happened to Gerrie Coetzee?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    After a bit of an up-and-down career — he knocked Leon Spinks out in one round but was beaten by John Tate and Mike Weaver in title fights, lost a controversial decision to Renaldo Snipes and fought Pinklon Thomas to a draw — Gerrie Coetzee seemed to have finally arrived when he stopped Michael Dokes to win the WBA heavyweight title in September of 1983.

    The South African with the bionic right hand was on top of the world … or at least the WBA-controlled part of the heavyweight boxing scene.

    Then things got weird.

    He was out of the ring for 15 months — much of it waiting for a unification fight with Larry Holmes that was made twice, only to fall apart twice as financing fell through — before scheduling his first (and only) defense in his native South Africa vs. Greg Page in December of ‘84.

    Page, who seemed to be ahead on points (although I’ve never seen how the official scorecards had it) won by KO in an eighth round that ran nearly a minute too long.

    You’d have thought Coetzee would have got an immediate rematch under the circumstances. You’d have thought wrong. The WBA reviewed the result and let it stand.

    From that point, Coetzee goes from being a presence in the 1980s heavyweight ranks to basically being a non-factor. By the time he steps back in the ring in September ‘84, Page has already lost the title in a battle of the bulge with fellow fat boy Tony Tubbs. Coetzee beat James Tillis over 10 rounds in his native South Africa, put him back in the picture somewhat. At this point, Gerrie has gone from a guy who normally weighed in the 215-220 range to 232 and never really gets back in shape again.

    In fact, six months later he was fighting Frank Bruno in a title eliminator in England. But Frank caught Gerrie with a monster right to knock him down and then put him through the ropes with another for a devastating KO win.

    And that’s the end of Coetzee, more or less.

    He disappears for seven years, has a couple of bouts, then drops out for another four years before having two more fights, losing to heavyweight Iran Barkley in his final bout.

    So what was the deal here? How did Coetzee go from his crowning achievement to basically being of no consequence from that point on? Just long periods of inactivity and few positive results.

    Seems like after beating Dokes he would have been destined to be in the heavyweight mix for several years to come, but basically did nothing from that moment on (apart from losing to Page in a bout where he seemed to have regressed).

    Does anyone have any insight as to what happened to him, how we fell off the map in such now-you-see-him-now-you-don’t fashion?
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    There are others here who know more about Coetzee than I do. But I’ve heard reports over the years that he had troubles with his father who apparently was managing him or had a part in managing him. But my knowledge in that area is shallow. He also had numerous hand surgeries which helped correct some things but also may have cumulatively caused long term problems .
     
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  3. BCS8

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    Far as I know: training, his hands, motivation. He lost fights that he would have won if he'd had been better trained. And as Mr Magoo says, his father was an anchor dragging him down mentally, a very negative person if I recall the stories correctly.
     
  4. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He had been a pro for quite a while. The Knoetze bout was big when it happened. That is quite a few years on and he was always near always near the top of the division for a long time.

    His shelf life at the top was longer than his american contemporaries. I wanted to see Norton take him on when Kenny was declining.

    But that ko by Page blew out a lot of candles. And nobody I knew was picking Page in that one. Nobody thought Greg was going to be a road warrior and come out with the belt. nobody. Kind of regarded not quite as a softie defense but close. Who picked Greg Page to have his A game for that one?
     
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  5. Steve Fero

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    Just ultimately he just wasn’t quite good enough. He seemed like an unlikely white hope when he emerged in late 70s good size and athleticism plus power. Somehow he just seemed lackluster in the big fights. With this potential it seemed he should have beaten Tate and Weaver but he would just seem to freeze up at key points. Then as-the 80s wore on larger and more athletic heavies became more common and he was nothing special at the championship level. Page seemed bigger and taller more then he should have based on tale of tape. Page was a talent wasted had he been dedicated with the right trainer might have been outstanding. I think the story here however was he became very motivated because of insults so was formidable at that point. Gerrie talked smack but it was taken not as he intended which was to intimidate man to man. As a black American Page took it as racist became enraged and was on a mission. At least that’s kind of what I heard. Please let me know if you have different version.
     
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  6. Saintpat

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    I think this is a bit of rewritten history that kind of became the accepted narrative but wasn’t really true.

    Nobody outside of South Africa considered Coetzee-Knoetze to be a major fight in 1976. Gerrie was 13-0 and Knoetze was 6-1 (and coming off of his first loss). They weren’t on the world stage. It was the national championship in a nation that, I’m pretty sure, had not to that point ever produced a world challenger or even a contender.

    When Kallie was thrust into the role of ‘contender’ in 1977/78 for beating Richard Dunne and Duane Bobick, some people said ‘hey, there’s this other South African guy who beat him, maybe that guy deserves a look.’ Post-Knoetze and pre-Spinks, he was feasting on journeymen like Tom Prater and Randy Stephens, a guy being built but not one considered a up-and-coming force. His biggest win pre-Spinks was over Johnny Boudreaux, who was considered a fringe contender for a minute before losing to Stephens (right before losing to Coetzee).

    Gerrie wasn’t on many radars when he was picked to be an expected soft touch for Leon Spinks in 1979 coming off his two fights with Muhammad Ali. It was Coetzee’s first fight outside of South Africa. When he won by KO 1 it was a huge upset and burst him upon the scene.

    By spring of 1986, Coetzee was done with the Frank Bruno loss.

    Including the bookend fights with Spinks and Bruno, Coetzee went 9-5-1. That includes killing-time wins over the likes of Leroy Caldwell, Fossie Schmidt, Mike Koranicki and George Chaplin, all journeymen of some level or other.

    I don’t think Gerrie was part of the scene longer than most of his 1980s contemporaries like Pinklon, Tubbs, Page, Dokes, Witherspoon, Bonecrusher and certainly not Weaver. The Knoetze win makes it look longer in retrospect but that wasn’t a result of any great note at the time, and he didn’t start fighting top guys right after … that came three years later against Leon.
     
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  7. Fergy

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    The Bruno KO was very impressive I thought,no one else banged Gerrie out like that.
     
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  8. Seamus

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    I was going to write a post containing all the bold points... damn near verbatim. Weird. Great minds.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

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    Coetzee was one of the favorites to medal in the 1972 Olympics, but South Africa was barred from the Games because of their Apartheid policies.

    Considering he didn't really "fall off the cliff" professionally until 1986, 14 years later, he had a fairly long spell at or near the top when you think about it.

    But his collapse against Bruno was unexpected.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

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    Coetzee actually found himself being mentioned as a title challenger when he won via disqualification against Mike Schutte in their first notorious war all the way back in 76.

    Schutte had been often mentioned as a possible Ali title challenger around that time (in the same way Coopman, Dunn and Evangelista were). Then Mike lost to Coetzee twice. Then a comebacking Joe Frazier was supposed to fight Coetzee a couple times in the late 70s, but those fell through.

    The Spinks fight was almost Gerrie's last gasp, as all his big opportunities (Olympics, Frazier, etc.) seemed to slip out of his reach.
     
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  11. Saintpat

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    Seems you’re kind of making my point. He was being considered as a Joe Frazier comeback opponent and grouped with the Coopmans and Dunns of the world — a soft touch with a good record.

    Leon was his first step-up fight. He was 21-0 and had been a pro for four years … that’s not ‘oh well I’m at the end of my rope’ stuff. It’s a typical ascension — he rose to the top of a heavyweight scene in South Africa that hadn’t yet ‘exploded’ as being a breeding ground for heavyweight contenders and was fighting American journeymen to gain experience to make his move.

    Now if he loses to Leon, sure, he maybe fades into obscurity but more likely gets a couple more wins on home ground and then gets a shot at another contender with the belief that he’s not a serious threat … and either has a breakthrough or not. Same as basically anyone else who falls short in their first try on the ‘world stage’ against an established contender.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    Actually, he wasn't considered a soft touch. Like I also said, he was a favorite to win a medal in the 72 Olympics until his country was banned.

    Mike Schutte was being considered, until he lost to Coetzee. Then Coetzee's name was brought up and dropped.

    Coetzee had a funny-sounding name and seemed harmless, but Coetzee was no longer considered when they looked at him further. He wasn't the typical walk in and eat jabs slugger Ali looked for in easy fights.

    In fact, if he'd been picked to fight Ali in 1977, given how Ali looked that year, I wouldn't have been surprised if Coetzee ended his reign. (And that certainly would've been something, given Apartheid going on at the time.)

    And that was back when heavyweights and their managers thought everyone who wasn't from the US was a "lesser" heavyweight.

    But it changed with Coetzee. He was not like the others.
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    Go look at the Knoetze fight. Gerrie was on his bicycle the whole time and I mean pedaling fast. He did not change anyone’s mind beating a 6-1 guy nor did he do so beating Mike Schutte.
     
  14. Reinhardt

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    I believe some fighters once they climb the mountain and become champion have no more worlds to conquer. Gerrie's career after beating Dokes seems to have drifted into neutral rather than high gear. Could he have done better,? of course so could we all . But looking back he may have gotten about as much out of his talent as he could.
     
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  15. Reinhardt

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    Hmm? I think he may have beaten Ali as well in 1977, bad decision aside