Who would you place higher in all time p4p list? Usyk or Crawford?

Usyk. Crawfords never faced a notable size disadvantage. He's also heavily on the gear.

 

While I'm a Crawford fan, he has always been a huge weight bully. Walking around at 180 and taller with a longer reach than Canelo, who's been at 168 for a while.

Usyk walks into champions backyards, giving up significant size, reach, weight, eats their souls and takes their championship.

 

Exactly - in a P4P landscape which can often be distilled down to who's been the most successful weight cutter and/or weight bully... Usyk's staked a claim without doing so - he's fought naturally bigger men and made them look silly.

Crawford is certainly impressive in his own right, but Usyk is just different.

 

This one is tough. Achievement wise it's a no contest in paper. Being lineal at 135, 140, 147 and 168 beats being undisputed at CW and HW, at least without further context.

But Usyk embodies the p4p concept much more imo. He beats much bigger and stronger mem with skill and ring smarts.

Crawford also has plenty of that, but he ironically mainly stands out for being effective while weighing in the same as much smaller men.

He has the chance to do a an Usyk and go up and face Benavidez, but has clearly said he wants nothing of that. So it must be Usyk, hasn't it?

 

Usyk at the moment, but they're both all-timers. Let's see how they finish up their careers.

 

^^^ This is a really good answer.

 

Usyk has beaten the better collection of fighters. Further, I consider his victory over Fury a greater achievement than Crawford beating Canelo.

It's telling that the vague platitudes of 'making history' spearhead arguments about why Crawford beating Canelo was so unprecedented. If it was truly unprecedented so many wouldn't have picked the underdog. It's another case of the bling and undisputed titles doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Canelo looked bad, emphasizing how he's never looked good against A1 opposition.

Crawford's quality but his two best wins are rightfully scrutinised. So many opponents were damaged goods.

 

Usyk thinks Crawford is the best.

 

Easily Usyk.

Shot Canelo is nothing to **** your pants over.

 

Usyk has the better P4P achievements in regards to beating fighters with a size disadvantage.

Usyk overall has a better resume aswell.

But Crawford has beaten 2 top 10 P4P fighters.

Crawford has more world title wins 20 to 13.

And Crawfoed has the rare achievement of being undisputed in 4 different weightclasses.

Not alot to choose between them honestly.

 

Neither is Fury, he'd spent years on cocaine and alcohol, and had nearly lost to an MMA fighter who had never boxed professionally before in the fight before Usyk 1. You can cut Usyk's HW resume to pieces just as much as Crawford's wins over Spence and Canelo. Usyk is a higher P4P because of the depth of his resume, but there's not that much between them skill-wise.

 

This is not a very fair post TBH.

Canelo has competed at a way higher level than Fury and you're saying he's never looked good against A1 opposition ?

What about Fury not looking good vs the likes of Wallin ? Ngannou ? McDermott ? Cunningham ?

I'd rather look bad vs one of the greatest fighters of all time in Mayweather or....vs a great Light Heavyweight like Bivol.

Than looking bad vs B and C class opponents or against an MMA fighter.

If Crawford gets scrutinised by you because you believe Canelo was past his prime.

Then why do you not have this same mentality for Usyk beating Fury ? Who would also be objectively be considered past his prime also ?

This is you not being neutral.

 

Fury is a lump who barely scraped past Ngannou, spent years in the pub, and should've lost to John McDermott at British level. He had fallen a few levels by the time Usyk fought him. Canelo was definitely fading, too, but it's disingenuous to say Canelo was fading and Usyk beat a prime version of Fury. With the exception of a total stinker of a fight against a fading Wlad in 2015, Fury's resume is horse****. Canelo has a much deeper resume. Crawford moving up three divisions to beat Canelo is the more impressive win, I think. Usyk's cruiserweight run is more impressive than his HW run, and that's what puts him above Crawford P4P.

 

Hell, I'm an Usyk fan-boy first, but I like them both. Those two and Inoue are basically carrying the era.